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  Memorial partakers

  by etna in

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  i think its probably too soon, but if anyone knows how many partakers of the emblems this year?.

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  alanv

  If there is increase in the attendance of a particular country, then that country will probably announce it in the highlights section of the Kingdom Ministry in a couple of months. Very unlikely they would report the partaker figures though, unless maybe it goes down
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  How much of a religion's doctrine can one disavow and still consider himself a member?

  by behemot in

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  its a good question: how much of your religions actions do you have to disavow before you feel comfortable just walking away from the whole damn thing altogether?.

  what aspects of your faith did you eschew before you finally stepped away from it for good?.

  source: http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/04/06/if-you-dont-agree-with-that-are-you-still-religious/.

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  alanv

  I think most people would say they could never completely agree with everything in their religion, which is why most witnesses stay in theirs hoping that things will be sorted out in the future.

  Problem comes when you realize that actually most of what you believe is rubbish or lies, then it is time to move on.
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  new watchtower, new songbook, new funeral arrangement *gasps*!!!

  by make yourself in

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  2. beliefs

  ok so i went to a jehovah witness funeral last week and i noticed a lot of changes.

  first of all it did not start with a prayer, and they had one brother come up in the beginning and talk about the diseased relatives family and their qualities then had another brother come up and do the scriptures and then the brother who came up at the start to close with a prayer and no song.

  and also there was only one prayer the whole time and that was at the end.

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  alanv

  white dove, that gave me a good laugh. Thanks
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  John the Baptizer: Mystery and Folklore

  by cameo-d in

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  2. bible

  i found something interesting that has just recently (2 wks.

  ago) been uploaded into wiki.. it is a coin, described as "20 grani, order of malta, 1742. obverse depicts the head of john the baptist on a platter.".

  you can see the image here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:20_grani,_order_of_malta.jpg.

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  alanv

  cameo- d

  Thanks for the explanation. May well be right
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  A question for all JWs, regarding women

  by dgp in

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  2. beliefs

  my reason to ask this question was another thread by highdose, on whether people felt sorry for subjugated women in the organization.. with all the advances that women have undoubtedly made, is there any well-hidden anger among the sisters, for the role they have to play?

  are there any complaints about it?

  do you see the society responding to those complaints as, say, the catholic church sort of has, by allowing women to give the host at mass?

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  alanv

  I think the ones that stay in are fairly happy for their husbands to make the main decisions. It is nothing like the situation with the muslims.

  Remember the society do reccommend that husbands and wives should make decisions together. It is only if there is a clear difference in their views, then the husband makes the final desision.

  I think most women in the org. are fairly happy with that.
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  John the Baptizer: Mystery and Folklore

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i found something interesting that has just recently (2 wks.

  ago) been uploaded into wiki.. it is a coin, described as "20 grani, order of malta, 1742. obverse depicts the head of john the baptist on a platter.".

  you can see the image here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:20_grani,_order_of_malta.jpg.

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  alanv

  He was of course a baptiser, so I think the witnesses have it right calling him that.

  What I was wondering is what made him start baptising people. Was it a command from God or did he dream it up.

  Would appreciate some help on this. Thanks
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  Why are so many ex jw's liberals?

  by John Doe in

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  It's a good point actually. I think many ex witnesses were shown how many of the world's religions were wrong and hypicritical and then we found out that so are the witnesses, it allowed us to revaluate how lives and many of us realize that many things that were banned to us are actually perfectly perfectly all right

  Personally I think that things like abortion, euthanasia, gay couples, can all be good in certain circunstances. Before of course they were a

  definate no no to us.

  I really feel I have got my life back now, and can make informed decisions based on my conscience instead of someone elses.
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  Define "Ex jw"?

  by highdose in

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  inspired from another current thread.

  i note some people are asking if they are allowed to participate in a questionaire for ex jw's if they are just fading or have not been df'd?.

  my own situation is this: tecnicaly i am a jw, baptised as a young tweeny and never reproved, df'd or da'd.

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  alanv

  Totally agree. I used to belong to a tennis club, but now I dont, therefor I am a an ex tennis club member. It's not rocket science is it.

  Like you I have faded because of the terrible consequencies if you are in a JW family and you formally write to tell them you no longer wish to be one.

  There must be thousands of ex witnesses that have faded and would love to tell the WT what they think of them but the WT has made that impossable

  So we do the next best thing, and that is warn others about this evil cult, and that way hopefully we are stopping many others make the same mistake as we did.
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  motherin law mixes with a molester but not her daughter .

  by looloo in

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  2. child-abuse

  this really confuses me , a few years back when i told her of my daughters abuse , she told me they have someone in the family who is a bit "funny" i asked her to explain , she said her bro inlaw had been accused of touching up her neice and older daughter in the past but her sister wanted to stay with him !

  i cant believe she hadnt warned me about him till that point as we had stayed overnight with them and my kids , it appears it was all brushed under the carpet and life carried on , a few years later she takes her 16 year old daughter and her best friend to stay with him and his wife but didnt think it appropriate to take a daughter to visit her other disfllowshipped daughter , who is a wonderful wife and mother and sweet lady because it would be a bad witness to her daughters friend !

  yet it was ok to take this young girl to stay over with someone who she knew "liked young girls" i wonder who the girls parents would rather their daughter visited !

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  alanv

  The whole religion is very mixed up. Normal feelings and relationships are often not there.

  If you think about it, any religion that can cut you off dead from your family simply because you no longer believe what they do is really one you want to avoid like the plague.

  There are many, many cases where sexual abuse has been covered up. Just go to the silent lambs website and read all the horrific stories of JW victims of abuse.
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  Immunizations?

  by crazy2try in

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  i have a question.

  today at work a woman was saying that she was upset because the foster mother of her children had taken the children to the dr and they received their immunization shots.

  she told a co-worker that she was mad because they did not respect her beliefs.

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  alanv

  All the above is true, but these days as far as I am aware most witnesses would not even question this. They simply have injections as a matter of course