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  'OKM_July_2011_Britain_and_Ireland_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  preview or download here:.

  http://www.box.net/shared/b3zdyd9ce1v1it8eqlcg.

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  alanv

  Thanks fokyc for supplying the KM.

  Disappointed that the memorial attendees went up by 3% in Britain
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  looking for 1968 truth book in pdf? Also looking for info about 1975 stuff.

  by average joe in

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  does anyone have a pdf version of the unrevised truth book they can share with me?

  also i am looking for information about what all was offically said about 1975..

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  alanv

  Joe there is a pdf available on line for the truth book, but it is the revised version where they get rid of their mistakes. You may be able to get the original from Amazon or ebay.

  As far as 1975 goes, their is a mountain of info available. Just type in Watchtower 1975 and it will keep you occupied for weeks going through all the stuff the society said about it.
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  New arrangement

  by DagothUr in

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  i don't know if anyone has already posted this since i was in corfu island in the last 2 weeks.

  it's from the jwn forum:.

  september 2011 km says, "publishers auxiliary pioneering during march 2012 will have the option of working toward a 30-hour or a 50-hour requirement for the month.

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  alanv

  How on earth do you get hold of the September Kingdom Ministry in July. I would expect August but not September. You must have friends in high places!
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  Selling literature on ebay? Good, bad or ugly?

  by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

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  many of you are collectors of the older literature especially.

  i have been involved for 50 years with wtb&ts and have 4 generations prior to me involved.

  i started collecting the literature and releases log ago and always viewed it as a hobby.

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  alanv

  I don't think the society would be bothered with someone just having old literature. I imagine there must be loads of older books still in their library at Bethel

  They would only become interested if someone was harping back to old ideas the society had years ago. If the individual started telling other witnesses about it, they would be accused of causing divisions. Then if they carried on doing it they would be disfellowshipped for going against 'God's organisation'
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  Help Please. Mother says she can prove I will die using the bible alone, no WT literature

  by scooterspank in

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  2. beliefs

  she says she can prove i will die if i'm not in the "truth" strictly using the bible .

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  alanv

  Anyone who knows their bible can make it agree with anything you want it to say.

  It can say all good people will go to heaven, or good people will live on earth. It can say God is a trinity or God is not a trinity.

  There is a literal hellfire or not a literal hellfire.

  We live in the last days or we don't live in the last days.

  The bible has many contradictions or the bible does not have contradictions.

  Anyway you get the idea.
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  When do you think the org reached peak numbers?

  by Mickey mouse in

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  i'm talking real numbers here, not the stuff they publish which is skewed by allowing people to count 15 minutes/both parents counting study time with children.

  when did they reach their peak publishers?.

  my guess would be the early 2000's.

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  alanv

  I think it is very true that the society will never again see the increases of the 1970s. The internet has made sure of that by informing all new ones what to expect when they join and if they want to leave.

  However the society is still increasing in numbers, which can be seen in the baptism figures which were up on the previous year by around 6%.

  But many of those new ones leave, so the actual increase hovers around 2-3%.

  Certainly it seems to take a lot more hours to convert one person to baptism than it used to.

  Lots of good stuff at the JWfacts site.

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php
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  Watchtower Puzzle – Spirit-Directed vs Inspired

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  watchtower puzzle spirit-directed vs inspired.

  scan your bible and you probably won't find the term spirit-directed.

  i searched for that term online and could not find a dictionary that defines it.

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  I believe that when they say the governing body is spirit directed, it simply means that they (supposedly) base all they say on the bible that was written by inspired men. That's how they can say it is spirit directed. It is also the reason that they make so many errors, because if they interprate something wrong, it just means they are relying more on their own understanding rather than using the bible to decide something.

  It would be interesting to ask them if they feel anyone else could be spirit directed!
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  Remaining Steadfast When Grandparents Shun

  by Bangalore in

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  remaining steadfast when grandparents shun.. http://jehovahswitnessrevealed.com/2007/jehovahs-witness-shunning.

  bangalore.

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  alanv

  The story certainly shows the cruel side of the JW religion, and especially how members are programmed to do whatever the society ask.

  Unfortunately, many times the article it speaks about members having to sell books.

  Now we now know that they do not sell books. Most times literature is taken and offered to a householder, and if they respond they may be asked if they would like to donate. However most times these days , the witness takes care of the expense, so it is wrong to say members sell books or magazines.

  The article would have been good to show a witness had it not been for that. As it is because of the false statement about selling, no witness would listen or learn from it. When speaking to witnesses you need to have every fact correct, if not they will jump on it and reject all the other true points that have been made.
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  viewing porn makes you demonised!

  by highdose in

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  or so claims every jw i've ever met.

  porn also makes you turn into a sexual deviant who is likely to become a homosexual, rapist or peadofile.. .

  porn has specail powers that once viewed allows the demons to get into your mind and start controling it!!.

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  Broken promises said

  Since they're making the claims, they should be able to back them up with facts.

  Don't you remember in the Jan 1942 edition of the Watchtower there was a case of a man who viewed porn in a magazine, being possessed by a demon and through himself off a cliff. lol
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  JW's are so hot on their views being respected but they do not respect anyone elses!

  by highdose in

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  2. experiences

  jw's face a tide of "no"s and "not interested"s everytime they go banging on the doors, surely it would have occurred to them by now that the vast majority of the public don't want to know and don't want them at their doors.

  but do they acknowledge or listen to this?

  regardless of wether they have priviously been told not to call or not still they come.. they claim that its because jesus has comanded them to do so.

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  alanv

  In my are there are signs saying no cold calling. In other words you don't call on someone without an invitation. Unfortunately I'm told it does not apply to religious callers