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  Still Groggy: Double Agent's Blog #001 - "Pressure Building"

  by StillGroggy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  (copied from my blog) .

  anyone who's seen my posts on jwd knows that im an active jw whos married in the religion.

  i recently started leaning my "family study" with my wife to a more free-thinking, personal researching mode.

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  cyberguy

  StillGroggy,

  Oh boy, your “family study” each week must be very interesting to say the least! Hehe!

  Say, you did as well as can be expected given your brainwashed wife’s emotional response. However, one thing that I’ve had success with is asking basic questions about what JW’s actually believe about some topic. I’ve found that most of them cannot explain their most basic teachings! It is impossible to get somebody looking at WT doctrinal errors when the people don’t really know what is taught.

  One example would be to review what JW’s really teach about 1914. A simple question would be, "According to WT, what did Jesus get in 1914 that he did not already have?" Then, wait for an answer. You’ll probably get a blank response. Then review some WT publication (like Require… p. 12, par 2, ) that states succinctly the WT teaching on the matter. At this point you have the person’s attention because this is a fundamental teaching that all JW’s should know, and they obviously don’t know it! Then read Matt. 28:18, 29, followed by a review Wt. July 1, 2004, p. 8, par. 3-4. Ask, “When did Jesus receive ALL authority?” WT says 1914, before then he only had a limited authority over his congregation according to WT (they cite Col. 1:13, see par. 4). Then ask, “When you read that account in Matt. 24, do you get the impression Jesus had to wait nearly 2000 years before actually getting ALL authority?” Also compare par. 4, and the sited scripture Eph. 1:20-23. Reason on the context, which clearly shows that “all government and all authority and power” was given upon his resurrection; once again, showing that Jesus did NOT have to wait. Finally, consider the information in the Insight Vol II, p. 61, under Jesus Christ, “The full significance of his ‘name’”. This article clearly contradicts the WT in showing when Jesus received ALL authority, namely upon his resurrection. “Which article has the correct understanding since both come from the “slave?””, you may then ask.

  Anyway, this is just some friendly suggestions to try and jumpstart the thinking process with a JW.

  Best regards,

  Cyber
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-5-06 WT Study (COURAGEOUS FAITH FEAR)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "be courageous and strong ... jehovah your god is with you.

  be courageous and strong.

  " (joshua 1:8, 9) because joshua listened to god, he proved to be courageous, strong, and successful.

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  cyberguy

  Blondie,

  I see this WT and tract work as a way to control the R&F by having them do something that everyone hates and will no doubt have a negative response, especially in non-Christian neighborhoods or predominantly non-Christian countries. Then when the “persecution” comes they will say, “We told you this would happen! Therefore, God is with you! The Kingdom is here! Get ready to take-over your neighbor’s home on the lake after the birds have dinner! And don’t forget about the petting-zoo every JW will soon have! All this God has promised!”
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  Who is DF/DA or Fader???

  by mama1119 in

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  2. friends

  i was just wondering, how many dfed to we have on here compared to da or faders??

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  cyberguy

  Fader
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  The JW phrase I most despise is...

  by exwitless in

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  2. friends

  "need greaters" ugh!!

  i hate that phrase and i always have.

  we knew a jw couple who applied every year to bethel and giliad until the age cut-off (age 35 or 40?).

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  cyberguy

  The SLAVE says...
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  More to the letter...

  by Matt_fs in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my jw friend had wrote me a letter and i explained a little about it here:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/120896/1.ashx.

  but in his letter he wrote some more and i was wondering what all you thought about it, and see what some of your comments were.

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  cyberguy

  Matt,
  
  The problem with JW's isn't that they don't talk about God and Jesus, but it's the way they relegate Jesus to an inferior position relative to their "earthly organization" (JW-speak for the religious structure of the JW's, including their Pope-like "governing body" and hierarchy of religious management).
  
  If you reflect on some of the talks and prayers you've heard at the Kingdom Hall, you"ll probably recall how often this combination of "God and his organization" is brought to the fore, how it is continuously emphasized, lauded and praised. This is probably due to their fundamental teaching that Jesus gave them "all his belongings" which they claim are all his "earthly assets" circa 1919. Hence the constant rant about the "organization!" "How important for all "stick close" to the "organization," they say! ""Obey the Organizaion" if you want to please God."
  
  Moreover, your friend's comment about Jesus being a "door" to God really does not fit the inner beliefs of most JW's! Please ask your friend if it is possible for anyone to go through the "door," or must one also be associated with their "organization" for worship to be acceptable to God" Fundamentally, the JW's believe (although they won"t directly admit to it) that their "organization" is "the Way the Truth and the Life!" For JW's, Jesus is merely an old-fashioned "switchboard operator" to God in prayer and nothing more.
  
  Cyber
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  The GB, jehovah and correcting grevious errors

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you think about the doctrine of the gb which maintains that it is no one's business to meddle in the way they run god's org (in fact their org) because god himself will put things right in his due time?.

  isn't that a disgusting excuse to let them carry on abusing the r&f with false knowledge?

  just think of it there are many errors many r&f are pointing them out and god is sitting there mysteriously ignoring the errors and as if by a whim he will at some time later decide to direct the gb to correct these errors.

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  cyberguy

  Hello "greendawn!" You've posted more than I have! I love your posts such as this, however! Regarding the "GB," since when have they ever been appointed? I asked this to my "elder" brother, and he had no answer! I asked him why is it that this special group has such control, but have NO scriptural basis for their existence. Of course, he did not know how to respond. Anyway, there's NOTHING scriptural about the GB. It's a man-made doctrine that distorts Bible teachings! Since my last conversation (nearly 3 years ago), he no longer talks to me!
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  607 website - part 6

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  part 6 in the series.

  part 1:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/118445/2082380/post.ashx#2082380.

  part 2:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/118507/2083398/post.ashx#2083398.

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  cyberguy

  Thanks Jeffro! Before your threads, I read enthusiastically Alans's articles about 1914/607 a few years ago. I'm sure your posts have been as well received! Wish you the best!
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  Slight Differance, Big Change Ephesians 4:1-16 and the NWT

  by drew sagan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the discussion of this text is taken in reference to a discussion i had with a jw elder i know.

  most of the time the discussion focused on things not even worth discussing, two things did come up i thought i would examine with more detail because something seemed wrong.

  one of these things i discussed here.

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  cyberguy

  As you point out Drew, the NWT (incorrectly) associates the “gifts” as “men,” rather than with the abilities that such “men” were given, as implied in every translation that I looked at thus far. However, as others have mentioned, I don’t see any support for an “organization” in these verses regardless of translation.

  Drew, as you know, JW’s attack non-JW beliefs such as the Trinity, by saying that since the word “Trinity” isn’t found in the Bible, the Bible doesn’t teach it! Well, by the same line of reasoning, where is an “Organization” in the Bible? How about “Governing Body?” I’m sure we could come up with a huge list of JW-expressions and jargon that isn’t in the Bible. How ironic!
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-27-06 WT Study (FOCUS ORGANIZATION)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 08-27-06 wt study (july 15, 2006, pages 19-24 )(focus on organization).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  cyberguy

  Blondie,

  Thanks again for a review of yet another WT diarrhea-inducing article! This is one of the absolute worst! I’m sorry that I could only review a few paragraphs, but I did talk to others who have read it. It is absolutely an abomination! It isn’t “funny” either! It’s abhorrent! Unfortunately, my fleshly brother probably conducted the WT-study for this hideous, demonic monstrosity! He no longer talks to me because I’m of a lesser class than he and his family, because I raise questions about his devotion to the WT and GB!

  Anyway, thanks again for covering this, but I had to pass on most of it because just a few paragraphs were too unsettling! Thanks Blondie, for covering this once again. Peace to you and family! Love-you folks!

  Say, I hope your garden is going great! Nice to hear about your “normal” life when you mention it. I’d like to meet you and husband sometime!

  With loving regards and PEACE to you and yours,

  Cyber
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  my story

  by jaberwalkie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is a difficult thing for me to do, i used to be a jehovahs witness 20 years service as a pioneer.. last thursday it was announced from the platform at my local kingdom hall that i was disfellowshiped.. it was a bit of a shock.

  i still have a deep sence of anger at what happened to me and its so unfair.. it started 3 years ago when i began to feel ill and i missed a couple of meetings.

  the elders were wonderful and came round and cheered me up.

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  cyberguy

  Sorry to hear of your problems, jaberwalkie. How’s your health now? Are you on medication? Also, for what reason were you disfellowshiped? (If you care to answer—no pressure here if you do not.) Of course, for missing meetings, elders visited me and told me if I needed to confess serious sins (implying of course that I did), they were available to listen to my confession! This ridiculous, since it is simply a tactic to impute guilt to get someone so disturbed that the return to attending meetings.

  Anyway, if you need continued medical help, please seek it out. And work on making friends, which may not be easy. This has been hard for me, but I’m making an effort. Please keep your chin up! The WT has messed with my brain for so long, that at times I simply don’t know how a “normal” person should act. But as time passes, I’m finding it does get easier! Yes, there is life and more happiness outside the JW-system!

  Take care, God bless, peace!

  Warmest,

  Cyber