I see extremely little in Holy Writ that demonstrates how Jesus could be Jehovah. I think C.T. Russell's admonition of Christ's post-resurrection divinity while not attributing his being as HO-ON ("The Being" cf. Ex. 3:14 in LXX) as rather brillliant. It solves the Col 2:9 "problem" and every trinatrian argument against antitrintarianism. That said, however, something JanH said some eight years ago or more has stuck with me: The Trinity dogma essentially acknowledges all the contradictory statements about Christ in the NT and "solves the problem." Ergo, if I were to be a Christian again I would accept the Trinity, primarily based on the evolution of its understanding from Origen to Athanasius.
Posts by Cygnus
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215Trinity- True or False
by defd ini know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
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VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE
by Oroborus21 in.
don't know if anyone cited this previously here at jwd.. this is a very interesting, fair and accurate article summary of paper presented last june at a cesnur conference.. http://www.cesnur.org/2005/pa_brown.htm#_edn37.
simon and jwd were mentioned!.
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Cygnus
My old friend Eduardo, I hope you are doing well with your enterprise and practice. I'd love to hear from you personally. PM me if you have the chance.
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Head Spinning.. and old friends, esp. Princess Irulan
by Cygnus insince i'm out of work with bilateral radial palsy i've had time to read, read, read some more.
and yakk on the phone a lot and with personal friends.
do you ever find your head literally swimming with information?
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Cygnus
oh anne, if i could only type better..... i have to hover my hands over the keyboard and drop them and hope my pointer-fingers hit the right keys... backspace gets a workout. thank you for saying hi :) and if you or anyone else would like to talk on the phone pm me and i'll give out my phone # and call you back if you want me to assume the charges
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Sep 15th WT: At it again: WT says elements in the UN will attack religion
by truthseeker init seems that the watchtower has not learnt any lessons regarding their involvement in the united nations.
perhaps they think the outcry that a few witnesses made a couple of years ago has died down.
they have been silent about the united nations for about 3 years until they published an article in the sep 15th watchtower, "walk by faith, not by sight!
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Cygnus
Leo, I have admired you from afar and really appreciate how you take apart sentences and extract a sensible understanding of what is really being said, not to mention your tireless research and postings. That goes for peacefulpete as well. Thank you.
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Head Spinning.. and old friends, esp. Princess Irulan
by Cygnus insince i'm out of work with bilateral radial palsy i've had time to read, read, read some more.
and yakk on the phone a lot and with personal friends.
do you ever find your head literally swimming with information?
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Cygnus
Since I'm out of work with bilateral radial palsy I've had time to read, read, read some more. And yakk on the phone a lot and with personal friends. Do you ever find your head literally swimming with information? Like your brain has gone to mush but desperately wants more anyhow? That's how I feel. Damned books and internet, especially this paper http://www.hedweb.com/hedab.htm .
Also, I'd like to hear from some old friends, even if I can't type much. joelbear, alanf, kenp, princess irulan and some from the old H2O days. I'm very lonely. Thanks for reading.
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RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
by Terry inthe impossible can be fun.
let's have some fun!!
there is a knock at the bedroom door.
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Cygnus
Terry, I would consider myself an authority on JWism and their history, but what you've done here puts any thinking of mine to shame. I would like to PM you.
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New Book Exposing "Intelligent Design"
by AlanF ini thought some people would be interested in this, since the watchtower society has been gradually adopting (but not acknowledging the source) id-ish ideas for about a decade.. there's a new book out called creationism's trojan horse: the wedge of intelligent design (barbara forrest & paul r. gross, oxford university press, 2004).
it shows very clearly that so-called intelligent design (id) is nothing more than standard creationism masquerading as something new.
id is really just a jazzed up version of william paley's "watchmaker" argument, which in turn is a jazzed up version of the argument from ignorance -- "i can't imagine how that happened, so it didn't".
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Cygnus
As I have progressed into adulthood, I have learned to say, "this scholar says this" or "such-and-such proposes that" instead of being dogmatic one way or the other. I'm too tired and sick to debate, and if young witnesses say "my parents dont make me go to meetings or not celebrate christmas, i do it cause i love god", who am I to argue with them? AlanF proved long ago that speaking with Awake! cheif editor and "Creation" book author Harry Peloyan is a waste of time. The study of Jehovah's Witnessism and Creationism occassionally interests me because it's fun to kill a few hours here and there with educated friends who provide fertile grounds for stimulating conversation. Otherwise, the great congregator once purportedly said: "To the making of books there is no end." I found more truth in B,B. King's autobiography which I just completed than any book seeking to prove or disprove either model of our existence.
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How are your marriages fairing after leaving?
by 24k injust a little bit about myself before you answer:
i was raised a jehovah's witness by my mother, who got "the truth" by studying with inlaws who were already members.
my father had been disfellewshipped for joining the army a few years before i was born, and has nevered returned to the organization.
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Cygnus
You would also be surprised at the divorce rate amongst contemporary JW marriages. In my own knowledge, app. 12 out of 15 JW marriages around the time of mine (say 1988-1994) have ended in divorce for one reason or another.
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Jay Dubs and the Illuminati?
by Apathy ini've seen a few things here and there that seem to connect the two, which i find.. very disconcerting.
for those who don't know, the illuminati, if they exist (which is highly questionable), are a secret organization behind a lot of world events and politics.
supposedly, they run everything behind the scene, like the wizard of oz or something.
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Cygnus
Watch out for what you read about JWs and the Watchtower online. Be discerning. I think if they had any connections with Mormons, or Freemasonry, or the so-called Illuminati, Ray Franz would have a thing or two to say and to me his silence speaks volumes.
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New Book Exposing "Intelligent Design"
by AlanF ini thought some people would be interested in this, since the watchtower society has been gradually adopting (but not acknowledging the source) id-ish ideas for about a decade.. there's a new book out called creationism's trojan horse: the wedge of intelligent design (barbara forrest & paul r. gross, oxford university press, 2004).
it shows very clearly that so-called intelligent design (id) is nothing more than standard creationism masquerading as something new.
id is really just a jazzed up version of william paley's "watchmaker" argument, which in turn is a jazzed up version of the argument from ignorance -- "i can't imagine how that happened, so it didn't".
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Cygnus
Alan I appreciate your many time restraints, work and family responsibilities. I would love for you to take an afternoon and give considerble thought to the paper I URLed in my post and get back to me either on the board or personally. BTW thank you for the book recommendation. Besides my intenet reading I clear 5 books a week. I am suffering from bilateral radial palsy and am pretty much incapacitated.