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  Do you sense the need to defeat or destroy the Watchtower lessening? I do.

  by nicolaou in

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  despite all the shunning crap - or perhaps because of it - i feel less inclined to take positive action against the watchtower these days.

  perhaps it's just a temporary malaise or maybe it's that the organisation i looked up to for so long now seems small, petty and trivial and frankly i just don't want to waste my time and energy on it.. what do you think..

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  sosad

  esw 1966 - very well stated!!!!!

  I was about 12 (newly baptised) out in service when an elder in my car group (turned around- never would a young sister have sat in the front with a MAN) and asked me what if the truth wasn't the truth- what if the end never came and it was suddenly more than a generation etc. I had my good little witness cap on (and was freshly minted from the baptism questions) and thought of course it was a trick question - my reply was that it would never happen. that was that (ahh- to have the blind faith of a 12 year old!) anyway, HE replied that even if the end didn't come at all, the jw life was still the best life to live etc etc- the conversation ended when the rest of the group returned to the car and I never brought it up to my parents. It was just so wierd...

  but this guy is still a jw has none of the financial difficulties of the 'real" witnesses like my parents....how many are there that know and don't care, or just choose not to know.... we are all personally responsible

  somehow, these witnesses know just how to "do" it- his son was never DFed, wasn't even baptised until he was an adult, had all the toys and more, was never compelled to answer, much less go in service, was welcome to him dads playboy stash (or was it the dad welcome to his sons? I never did get that one straight...

  I also love the quote- the organization is rot...
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

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  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  Just a thought - what if the couple had been either reproved, DFed or worse the object of a congregation Gossip Mill Directive and left on their own during this pregnancy ...due to the IVF. I can see a BOE elders behave in this fashion- perhaps local needs talk, perhaps encouragment to mark these ones....HMMMM - it would explain why the parents want nothing to do with the "Church Leaders", why old whats his name is claiming not to know who they are and ALSO why they are identifying themselves as JW.... what if they are older, simply got tired of waiting for their family in paradise....stopped full time service..... Now that would be a story

  No matter the circumstances, I wish nothing but health and happiness to these parents (and I just enjoyed two "snow days" which means no school, blizzard conditions, and seven kids mostly in the house for most of those two days (of course, only three are mine, and they range in age from 9 - 3)
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  Kingdom Hall shooting

  by Stealth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sad to see people so effected by this religon that they resort to violence.

  i was glad to here no one was fatally ingured.

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  I am not trying to be funny but if this had happened outside of a Catholic Church wouldn't the local cong use the story in service as an example of J's protection at the hall vs church....at the very least there would be some sort of commentary about the Evils of Church goers,,,,and I can't imagine if she would have been an "apostate" leaving a church. Also - it must be driving them crazy to see the KH reffered to as a Church...
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  MY WITNESS FRIEND DIED

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  further to this topic i started a few weeks ago: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/124404/1.ashx i just found out that she died the other night.

  we hadn't been close in a number of years, due to me becoming inactive, but i remember alot of the good times too.

  she was older than me and offered to study with me when i was 14, which led to my getting baptized.. i remember that she tried for several years to get pregnant, and how happy she was when she finally conceived.

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  sosad

  If you are able - geographically or otherwise- to go to the funeral - go. If not, send a card to her child- you may be one of the few that is able to share your remembrances of when your friend was expecting, her joy and how that affected you.

  You are remembering an individual, a friend, and she happened to be a witness. As always, it is the person that makes a difference in our life- and you are connected to her past the label that some only knew her as.
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  The Society's more permissive stance on blood fractions could kill my Mum!

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we had my mum and dad down for a meal at the weekend.

  me and mum have a kind of 'unspoken truce' going on where neither of us raise an issue in conversation that will lead to a discussion on any jw sensitive topics.

  it's not perfect and it doesn't always work but at least we are maintaining a relationship of sorts.. anyway, knowing that this is the 'blood card' time of year i did take the chance on asking mum just what her personal stand on blood and fractions would be.

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  this reminds me of the reversal on organ transplants. In the late 80's- the CO gave a talk about the "new light" and the last point made was that an older, faithful brother had commented to him that "he STILL wouldn't take an organ transplant" which cued the general laughter. the entire issue - of those that had died in the past or had been dfed - was totally whitewashed by his clever end to what should have been a show stopping doctrinal shift. I'm not even sure if this was the first we had heard of it or a rerun talk...
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  Do JW's stay In the Organization to avoid embarassment?

  by moshe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just read this behavior study- called the asch study.

  it seems to explain why jw's agree with obviously false wt teachings and ignore warnings inside the organization.

  it is all to avoid embarassment from peers, friends and family.

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  not to mention the humiliation of telling their 'worldly" families that they were wrong. my mom, in an unusual moment of truth once commented to me that she could never leave, even if she found the truth was wrong - how could she ever face her family that are not jw's.....but she somehow does not think of her non jw kids
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  Any ex- witness catholics out there?

  by sosad in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm just curious - it seems to me that there was no religion so vilified by by jws as the catholics - most esp pre vatican ii (ie - 50's early to mid '60's).

  are there any tht either returned to their catholic roots, or were raised jw and converted?

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  sosad

  I'm just curious - it seems to me that there was no religion so vilified by by jws as the catholics - most esp pre vatican II (ie - 50's early to mid '60's). Are there any tht either returned to their Catholic roots, or were raised jw and converted?
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  In love with a witnesss....

  by city girl in

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  2. friends

  hello, i'm new here...but i've been reading the forum for some time, but this is the first time i've posted.

  i am stuck.

  i am a non witness and have been seriously dating a witness for about a year now.

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  sosad

  it sounds to me like you already know "your truth" about your relationship. maybe, one day he will really care to understand what is wrong with the belief systemhe was raised in and the culture that he is still, at some level a part of. only then, would the two of you have a chance.

  It's like falling in love with someone who is already married. Sure, the marriage may be on the rocks. But it makes more sense for the "unhappily, but still married" one to be really and truly single- un-married- and like life like that. Then, go back to the person you were dating...

  If you are meant to be together, you will be. Just not now, not like this me thinks.

  I am sorry for the grief you will feel.
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  I am so tired...........

  by vitty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is midnight and i have just got out of bed......................no sleep for me tonight ...........again.

  i am so tired.

  i suffer from insomnia like a lot of posters here but when i do sleep, a couple of times a week at worse or once every couple of months i have night terrors.. *these only started when i found out the truth about the org, so i can only conclude its stress.

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  sosad

  if you are open to alternative therapies, try a "Body Talk" session or two - non invasive, and for me very effective.
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  The Time Bomb In Every Witness Congregation

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the recent court defeat of the watchtower emphasizes a point i have repeatedly dwelt on:.

  the confidential judicial files in each congregation of jehovah's witnesses are a potential "bomb"!.

  they often make for interesting reading, if you have access to them.

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  sosad

  the children of elders are almost always immune- in fact, i've never heard of one getting dfed

  the materially poor in the cong are always at a disadvantage at a jc

  there is always one scapegoat that will be dfed if a group of kids is in trouble (drinking/smoking/sex/parties) They know that dfing a group of kids will ultimatly cost the cong- esp if a school finds out/there are elders kids involved/the elders should have known or did know

  i would love to see the notes the kicko elders took at my jc at 15 -

  in a pinch, the materially poor elders kid will get the boot