several footnotes in the nwt correctly define apostasy as "unfaithfulness".. that is spiritual unfaithfulness/adultery/fornication/prostitution/harlotry.. in scripture the jews were called (spiritual) prostitutes (37 times in ezekiel chapters 16 and 23).. they claimed a relationship with the god of abraham.. yet they lusted after other gods.. and they had frequent wanton spiritual intercourse with these gods.. to cover-up their own lewd apostasy the watctower lyingly redefines the word to mean a dissenter (against the watchtower).. anyone who dissents is labelled an apostate.. ray franz discovered their apostasy.. he dissented.. he exposed their spiritual harlotry in detail (isocf and coc).. they lyingly labelled him an apostate.. and many if not most exjws say this is all fine.. even worse, many exjws proudly wear the label.. to show their proud support of watchtower lies and cover-ups.. how sad....
what's wrong with being an apostate? sounds cool to me. like renegade. with a motorbike, long hair and sunglasses.
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this.
Also, I like the term, because it puts me in mind of Julian the Apostate, who tried his damnedest to stop those upstart Christians and bring back the Old Ways.
did you have any favourite books by the society when you were in ?not that this book was my fav.
yet it was the first book i read learning about jw`s.
" from paradise lost to paradise regained " i know , it was designed for the young , however my mentor thought that since i had no understaning of the bible it was what i needed.
I always did like the "Greatest Man" book. Except for 1 or 2 chapters, it seemed largely free of the usual JW crazy, and gave a decent look at the life of Christianity's central mytho-historical figure.
The ragazines, usually the Asleep, sometimes carried neat general interest articles, historical and/or cultural stuff, stuff about different animals. Not so much since they gutted them.
there are several of the new bibles on ebay, but here you can buy the whole box of 32. i don't know if this link will show the original listing, you may have to click on that to see the description.
i wonder where these came from, the description seems a bit strange.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/case-of-32-2013-new-world-translation-of-the-holy-scriptures-watchtower-bible-/261362288068?pt=lh_defaultdomain_0&hash=item3cda6805c4&nma=true&si=cb4ceo6bt8tstei2ousxlhx8hva%253d&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557.
This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.
Surprise, surprise.
Why would anyone pay for a free bible?
from purely anecdotal evidence, i believe women are more indoctrinated on average.
i can openly disagree with the governing body with men and it results in a discussion however, most women i've talked to have immediately shut me down by ending the conversation.
the only person currently shunning me is a woman.
You're examining a flawed sample. Remember that in JW-land the women are taught to be subserviant.
I expect if there were some kind of amazon-like cult out there, you would find just the opposite.
it is interesting how the watchtower uses these two words.
for instance, the word some is often used to minimize, and many used to maximize.
and yet, it is so unspecific that some might be a greater quantity than many, yet the mind doesnt process these words this way.. for instance, if it is a failed prediction or a changed teaching, they might say, some believed... when it fact some means most or all, because this was food at the proper time coming from gods channel through the watchtower.
WT loves those ambiguous words.
a few months prior to baptism i had shoulder length hair which i loved and had wanted ever since i was a child.
i remember sitting with an elder during a bible study and asking him point blank if i 'had' to cut my hair.
whilst the answer was given slightly awkwardly the answer was a no, "there are no rules that say you have to cut your hair".
You will, indeed, be passed over for "privileges" if you have long hair (or a beard). Although there is nothing in the Bible against such (Maybe 1 Cor. 11:14, but I don't really think that was intended as a grooming rule).
Just like many other things the WTBTS teaches, not from the Bible, just pulled out of their ass.
I would before have said you can't be DFd for it, but this "brazen conduct" thing has given the elders very wide latitude on DFings now.
i have recently read for the umpteenth time the 4 gospel accounts.
what caught my attention this time around was how many times jesus makes mention of the endeared expression father (with f in caps) when referring to his god as recorded by matthew, mark, luke and john.. what was also interesting by comparison is how little jesus actually makes reference to his father on a first name basis (jehovah) in these four books.. note my findings with the help of the comprehensive concordance:.
jehovah: matthew 11 times mark 8 times luke 26 times john 4 times (total 49 times).. father: mathew 43 times mark 4 times luke 21 times john 119 times (total 187 times).. .
by Jesus' time it is likely that the correct pronunciation of YHWH was lost.
True. However, if you accept the premise that Jesus existed as a divine being before coming to earth (not that I do), he certainly would have known how to say it. And it certainly wasn't Jehovah.
And of course, as mentioned, If Jesus used that name so much, why did none of his supposed followers write it down? Instead they used Θέος and Κύριος. The name they spread was that of Jesus.
Personally, I wish they had been a little less zealous about that.
who were your past circuit overseers?
i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).
ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).
@ Londo
Basically I remember his gripe boiling down to 2 things:
1. It has a sex scene.
2. It's basically a woman telling the story of how she had an affair. That her husband was a dick does not justify it (WT view).
I don't really know. I never saw the movie even to this day. There's easier ways these days to see tits than sitting through a 2-1/2 hour movie, and really that would be the only reason I would watch it.
page 4, 2014 yearbook .
jehovah used his own spirit-begotten sons to provide the original new world translation.
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Now, y'all shouldn't make fun of the RNWT like that. It's not stupid, it's just "special".
who were your past circuit overseers?
i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).
ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).
@Found Sheep - yep. And he has a personal crusade against "Titanic".
I see some others have had Mallett. Indeed, Londo, he was quite the "rock star". I remember at my second Pious-sneer school, the man had the unmitigated gall to more or less complain about getting free suits and things from "the friends", stating that it would be better to give COs money instead, if you wanted to give something. Then they can buy their own suits, ones that "fit their style".
