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  Older WT quote reveals attitude toward disfellowshipped family members

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  hey, i discovered this older quote from reexamine.org.

  i could not believe how serious it was about what a family .

  member was not allowed to do with a disfellowshipped .

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  jambon1

  These and many, many other statements in the WTS literature are nothing short of filth.

  To direct the sheep in this manner is both cruel and heartless.

  Most right minded people would find this sort of bullshit offensive. Its a shame that some of our relatives actually believe that it is right and proper to be 'loyal' to 'jehovah' in this area. Everyone outside the truth would view this way of treating people as utter, brainwashed madness. I have never met one worldly person who thinks that this is acceptable. In fact, most think that you are having a joke when you tell them about it.

  For this doctrine and a few other, I can safely say that I will never, ever return to JW lala land.
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  How significant was the 1995 bombshell - generation?

  by jambon1 in

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  i was wondering what effect the article on the generation change had on most people here?.

  for years, the trump card on the ministry when replying to the "it will never come in my day" objection to armageddon, was the doctrine of the generation.

  many jw`s probobly held back from making important financial comitments.

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  I was wondering what effect the article on the generation change had on most people here?

  For years, the trump card on the ministry when replying to the "It will never come in my day" objection to armageddon, was the doctrine of the generation. Many JW`s probobly held back from making important financial comitments. Held back from building their businesses and so on.

  I noticed that after this article came out, many JW`s who had small businesses suddenly expanded. People became more materialistic, looking for a more comfy life. Pioneer numbers fell (hour requirement adjusted in 1999 as a result). People started participating in things which they fomerly would not have even considered.

  I heard a few brothers who had left the truth had been saying that for the 1st time in the org they had felt 'deceived' regarding the change in the generation doctrine.

  Was it just me or did you notice trends/attitudes changing after 1995?
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  Are you 'following a worldly course'? Loaded WT expressions.

  by jambon1 in

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  another example of the wts's loaded language that i actually find quite offensive.. the expression 'following a worldly course' is banded about, often in a similar context to that below, taken from the watchtower of may 1973 (convention review):.

  the next oldest, a son, told how he also at one time wanted to go to college and follow a worldly course.

  but his father sat down and reviewed the scriptures with him.. so, what is 'following a worldly course'?

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  Another example of the WTS's loaded language that I actually find quite offensive.

  The expression 'following a worldly course' is banded about, often in a similar context to that below, taken from the Watchtower of May 1973 (convention review):

  The next oldest, a son, told how he also at one time wanted to go to college and follow a worldly course. But his father sat down and reviewed the Scriptures with him.

  So, what is 'following a worldly course'? It seems to imply fultility, danger, loss of spirituality, etc, etc.

  In actual fact, it is yet another example of WT buzz words/phrases which are intended to leave the reader with an impression, without really going into much detail about the matter. The article above was intending to discourage higher education, but by adding the expression 'and follow a worldly course', it intimates in the mind of a brain-washed youth or even adult, that by going to college, you are becoming worldly.

  It is actually quite sad that in a stroke it is implied that gaining an education and providing a comfortable living for ones family is not worthwhile and is somehow negative, even wicked. This is offensive to all people of the world who pursue such a course, implying that these are bad people, worthy of destruction!

  What other examples are there of the WTS loaded language?
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  how many atheist and agnostics on this site

  by dannygwalsh in

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  hi everyone just a question to satisfy my curiosity , and if you are a non believer are you happier for being so

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  I enjoy being the master of my own fate. I don't concern myself with whether or not I'm pleasing an invisible, silent God and am therefore evoking his blessing or malediction. Instead I do the best I can and accept the result.

  Well said that man!

  Indeed, I am too an atheist.

  This time last year I was in a thoroghly miserable state. Trying to live up to the 'nothing is ever good enough' mentality of a brother in the truth literaly made me depressed, worn out, unhappy. The 10 years that I was in the truth mentally scarred me too. In various ways I felt on the edge of mental stability. This may just have been me, but my reaction to some of the 'truths' you are taught just worried me out of my mind - persecution, stories of the holocaust, imminent destruction of all the nice people in 'the world', etc, etc - it all had a bad effect on my outlook and perspective on life.

  Now I feel so content. All I ever wanted was to be accepted as a good person and a good dad and a decent husband. Someone who loves and provides for his children. Thats all. Thats all I want from life, and at the moment I am doing those things well. I feel happy with myself. Thats why I concur with Daves words above.

  Although life in a divided household has its challenges, I am happy.

  As an atheist, I am happier than I ever was as a religious person. It was all an act. Now, I am true to myself. If there are consequenses for that then so be it. I dont think there are consequences but either way I am not bothered. Happiness comes form being yourself.

  J
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  Fear of armagedon = Fear of hell. Are these two the same?

  by jambon1 in

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  it amazed me at first that the jw`s taught that hell was a man made doctrine.

  actually, i quite agreed with it.

  it is a repugnant doctrine.. as the few years rolled on though, it always nagged me that the fear of dying an abrupt, horrific & violent death at armagedon was basically the same thing.

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  It amazed me at first that the JW`s taught that hell was a man made doctrine. Actually, I quite agreed with it. It is a repugnant doctrine.

  As the few years rolled on though, it always nagged me that the fear of dying an abrupt, horrific & violent death at armagedon was basically the same thing. It is a man made doctrine which the JW religion uses to keep its members in check.

  I mean, so many people got baptised just prior to 1975. Would they have done so if there was no 'imminent' armaggedon threat. I think many would have not even considered it if such a threat were not in place at the time.

  Since then, the r/f are kinda getting a bit fed up and yet they still stay just in case the big A comes.

  Thoughts?
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  Did The "Titles" In The Hall Bother You?

  by choosing life in

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  i always hated the fact that the jws claim they don't take on titles for status and then do just that.

  pioneer,special pioneer, auxillary pioneer, elder, ms,co, do, po etc.

  did this bother you?

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  Blinded to it at 1st but it did eventually bother me.

  Especially when all the `good` pioneers (another title), were the ones with half a dozen bible studies, but these were always the most detestable, sanctimonious, double speak, backstabbing, self-righteous, shit filled, up their own ass hole, self-seeking, beligerent, $hit heads, you will ever come across in the entire human race.
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  Coming off pioneering - made up excuses!!

  by jambon1 in

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  the excuses made for coming off pioneering were, at times, cringeworthy.. one minute the brother is claiming ill health and the next month he is in a full time job!.

  its all down to position and status - "oh yes, my son came off because he is getting married!".

  did anyone ever watch the comedy sitcom - 'keeping up appearances'?

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  jambon1

  The excuses made for coming off pioneering were, at times, cringeworthy.

  One minute the brother is claiming ill health and the next month he is in a full time job!

  Its all down to position and status - "oh yes, my son came off because he is getting married!".

  Did anyone ever watch the comedy sitcom - 'keeping up appearances'?

  Pathetic so it is!
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  Were "Theocratic Activities" A Burden To You???

  by minimus in

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  if you go to an assembly or convention, you are made to feel that everything is joyful, wonderful, "happifying", paradisaic, unified.

  going to 5 meetings, never missing them, preparing for meetings and doing regular personal and family study and pioneering, if at all possible, raising your kids to be perfect little ministers, etc.......all these types of things are supposed to make you feel wonderful!

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  When I pioneered I felt as worn out as I do now. Only now I have 2 kids and a full time job to deal with. I never felt refreshed, ever.

  Trying to do more, more, more is such a miserable way of life & Im glad I turned my back on it. I am now tired each day, but it is for a good and honourable reason.
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  When are you most susceptible to painful Watchtower memories?

  by The wanderer in

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  untitled document <!-- .style1 {font-family: verdana} --> painful watchtower memoriesthis subject is not an easy one to talk about so.

  perhaps you should consider your thoughts very.

  carefully before you answer.. the summer months are some of the most trying times .

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  jambon1

  It is when news of another unhappy, miserable peson surfaces that I feel sad.

  Not sad for me. Im out and will never go back because of my new found happiness. But, sad for the person that is struggling in one way or another, trying to live up to a man made religion, with man made rules. Most of us know it is impossible and just gave up. Some continue struggling in a miserable life because they want to do better.

  The WT standards are unattainable = unhappy people.

  Very sad indeed.
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  If this doesn't scream mind control, nothing will

  by restrangled in

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  this poem was written by a 15 year old jw to encourage one of my younger relatives to get back to the kh.

  to get to the meeting ahead of time.

  to make our way to the counter to get in line .

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  jambon1

  To put an end to a malicious story

  To not think about how a bad one treated,

  me, myself, I got unheated,

  So go ahead, give me another kick in the balls,

  I`ll thank you, as I pass in the Kingdumb Hall!