during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.
but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.
im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.
Scholar:
How about the Israel government's own archaeological site?
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00uy0
Seems to me that Isreal would have little reason to be biased about the date of the destruction of their own temple - especially if that date has anything to do with the second coming of the Messiah - after all, they are still waiting for his first appearance on earth.
So - is an unbiased and scholarly source good enough for you?
moral principles, doctrine , prophecy , ourselves ?
First, we must know our true-self, for everything else will be perceived through the lens of identity. Well stated! I totally agree
i am a new member here and wanted to say hello to all.
i noticed that there are a lot of hot topics being discussed here.
i am not bitter or angry, just kinda very lost in the shuffle and hope to meet some new people.
Hi Puternut:
I am only about 2 hrs away from Spokane and am up there quite often for business. I'll drop you a note the next time I head your direction - maybe we can meet up and exchange stories! Of course.......I won't be heading that direction until I can shovel out of my driveway
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saudi arabia.
trobriand islands(i think i have spelled it right) off papua new guinea
church.......
she always calls me at work.
i haven't heard from her in almost 3 months.
(she never calls anywhere near the holidays.
(((((Ghosthunter)))))))
I understand completely. I was very close to my mom - even after I was DF'd she kept a close relationship with me - we went to dinner, shopping, movies, etc. But someone must have gotten to her because this last November she chopped it all off and will only have limited contact with me. She's elderly and lives alone so she lets me know if she needs help...and that's about it.
Each person mends in different ways - but it helped me to vent here. And, it REALLY helped me when I sat back and took a look at the family I DO have - a wonderful husband, two terrific kids, and in-laws that have taken me in with open arms. I decided that although the borg had taken my old family - God had replaced them already with a new family that was more loving and supportive than my mom, dad, and brothers had ever been or even dreamed of being.
In the end - our family is not necessarily blood related - it's who we CHOOSE to be our family. It hurts to have your mom reject you - of course it hurts, we're human! Hang in there and keep your focus on the family that really counts!
i was always annoyed with my ex for using the words "pleasing to jehovah" to describe certain actions.
in actuality, he an his family (and i suspect others as well) seemed to be much more concerned with pleasing other witnesses or members of their congregations.
as an outsider, it seemed to me that they were always looking for "loopholes" to get by with certain practices, as if they thought they could trick jehovah or that he wouldn't notice so long as they were not reproved or disfellowshipped.. my ex sister-in-law regularly spent the night with her boyfriend or he with her.
Hey wordlygirl:
I guess you could say they are trying th please the organization more than Jehovah - but the truth is (as I see it) - they are under so many strict rules they just try to slip out from under that heavy load whenever they can. I think that so many JW's find and use loopholes because they HAVE to - they're being crushed under this huge weight that the society has put on them.
Jesus said that his yoke was kindly and his load was light - definately not the same Yoke that is involved by the society is it?! He also warned that wolves would come in and not treat the flock with kindness - I believe the JW organization is one of many fine examples of this.
Blondie - great scriptures! I also like Romans 14:4; Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand
i have this fascination with holocaust stuff, the memorial, movies like shindlers list, the history channels programs they have.
last night i watched the pianist.
it was an incredible movie.
Hey jwbot:
I can empathize with you! I used to have nightmares very similar to yours. After leaving the JW's the nightmares continued, just mutated into new scares - like my kids falling off a boat in dark water and I keep diving in and can't find them.
Last year I had a very highly stressfull and frightening situation I had to deal with (a murder of all things) - and my nightmares got even worse. I had problems sleeping and had to take medication just to get enough sleep to function.
I'm much better now and nightmares are few and far between - here's what helped me (1) counseling. Talking out my nightmares with a counselor helped me address those fears and put them to rest. If you can't afford counseling then a good friend you trust will do you wonders. You don't necessary have to see a counselor - just putting those fears into words and then talking about what the source of that might be helps. They become more tangible and can be dealt with that way. and (2) I stopped watching scary movies. I know it sounds funny - but I found that because of what I had gone through last year I was just too highly sensative - when I stopped watching anything that was the least bit scary or high impact stress on TV I started getting better. Watching movies or reading about the holocaust only continues to feed your fears right now. It would be best to avoid it until you have dealt with the fears and laid them to rest.
You're not alone - you're just human!
http://www.impactpress.com/articles/decjan01/jesus120101.html
check this out and let me know what you think..... my personal opinion so far, with all that i have learned to date and being out of jw'dom for 13+ years.
is that jesus likely never existed.
short reply here.....
Did Jesus exist? Yes - I did extensive research on this a few years back. There is more references it Jesus in historical documents other than Josephus.
Does it matter? Yes. Learning the truth about the JW's was my first step to freedom. Learning the truth about who Jesus is brought even more freedom.
From Dawn......the new Christian
i just saw this on witness world web site and had a few laughs.
how many of you were this pathetic when you were a witness?
devon
However, I have met some people in my life who absolutely make my skin crawl
Yep - I know what you're talking about exactly! That doesn't mean that the person has "demons" - it just means you you're paying attention (or are more sensative naturally) to forms of communication other than the those we generally rely on for everything (sight, sound, & touch). As a nurse you must have taken some Anthropology classes......remember how animals communicate through smells? We humans have lost a lot of that ability - but I think that some still posess the ability to pick up on what might be called an "auroa" of sorts.
The people I met that made my skin crawl.....I found out later were not very nice people. So when I get that feeling I listen to it - I think it's nature's way of warning you.
ok, granted i am a newly-transplanted californian to portland....so maybe not a big deal to most.. but i'm told this is unusual for portland....snow has been falling all morning, there are about 3 inches now...it is a soft, feathery dry snow.
i've already been for a few walks ... it is so quiet and muted out especially for a city.
people are out walking (can't drive!
It started snowing on the 26th here - we've had quite a bit since then - still snowing today - with more expted through this weekend. We usually have very mild winters with only 1 or 2 days of snow at most - so this is quite a change.
The sledding is fun! But the driving sucks.
