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Deacon
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Do you get it yet?
by Deacon inthere are about 6 billion people that live on this planet today.
it is most intriguing to realize that we are nearly all identical.
our genetic, social, psychological, emotional and spiritual similarities far outweigh our differences.. humans are human whether primitive or industrialized, male or female, african, asian or caucasian, or tall or short.. the paradox is that each of us also feels so unique that we spend the greater part of our lives trying to explain ourselves to each other in the hope that we can be heard or understood, as if no one else could possibly know what it is like to live in our skin.. if we can agree on nothing else, we seem to agree that one of the primary threads that run throughout all of human existence is struggle.
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Do you get it yet?
by Deacon inthere are about 6 billion people that live on this planet today.
it is most intriguing to realize that we are nearly all identical.
our genetic, social, psychological, emotional and spiritual similarities far outweigh our differences.. humans are human whether primitive or industrialized, male or female, african, asian or caucasian, or tall or short.. the paradox is that each of us also feels so unique that we spend the greater part of our lives trying to explain ourselves to each other in the hope that we can be heard or understood, as if no one else could possibly know what it is like to live in our skin.. if we can agree on nothing else, we seem to agree that one of the primary threads that run throughout all of human existence is struggle.
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There are about 6 billion people that live on this planet today. It is most intriguing to realize that we are nearly all identical. Our genetic, social, psychological, emotional and spiritual similarities far outweigh our differences.
Humans are human whether primitive or industrialized, male or female, African, Asian or Caucasian, or tall or short.
The paradox is that each of us also feels so unique that we spend the greater part of our lives trying to explain ourselves to each other in the hope that we can be heard or understood, as if no one else could possibly know what it is like to live in our skin.
If we can agree on nothing else, we seem to agree that one of the primary threads that run throughout all of human existence is struggle. We struggle to live, we struggle with each other over physical and emotional resources, we struggle to avoid pain, to find happiness and to make sense of our lives
Where we differ as individuals, is in the arenas in which we play out our struggles and the metaphors we use to symbolize the important elements of out lives. Person struggles with a life threatening illness, another struggles to resolve the horrors of incest while another struggles to find peace within the walls of their own home. Each of us searches for the same things in life but with metaphorical meanings that are our very own.
The human soul is layered and faceted with endless manifestations which is why we are so complex and so fascinating. We are layered because our struggles are layered, because our meaning systems and our cores are layered.
Some people only see the surface layer.
Things are simplified by the 90 second tv analysis syndrome. … well he was obviously a fraud and rotten to the core. But is that all that person was? Or does it take to much time to say..He was a fraud in this aspect of his life, but in this other aspect he was honourable, and in yet another aspect he was confused..
Each human has multiple layers, we forget that.
Now in dealing with each other, to overcome the stasis of negative emotion gathering, we need a set of basic rules. We need to allow people space to exhibit their goodness, in an atmosphere of willing interchange of information.
As children we are taught by our parents that bad language and personal attacks on a person does not win kudos, in fact the parent spend time showing the child how to overcome the layering effect by being nice.
Often times, when we first begin to wrestle with issues relating to adulthood, the surface of our lives is disrupted and our forays into our arenas of struggle are confused and intense. Our path is sometimes impeded by being a Jehovahs Witness, and our consequent departure from the religious order has delayed our growth to maturity. One layer of our selves, the anger and need for freedom burst through and dominates all the other facets of ourselves.
We forget. With freedom and rights, comes the greater burden of RESPONSIBILITY both to ourselves and to others.
Intellectualizing the emotions, and allowing the intellect to dominate along with rationalization of every subject or rudeness projected, does ourselves an injustice. We lose out on respect from others, and in the long run become less than whole.
While I find myself laughing and am highly amused by some of the wittier but nonetheless demeaning rude and arrogant comments that abound at times on this board…I am also aware that respect for that person diminishes by the lack of control over that hurtful facet or layer exhibited by the writer….and in the long run, whatever other layers of goodness, intellect, kindness that the writer has, is subjugated by the predominant layer as shown in public.
If this is meant to convey any message, and it is, I hope we see the similarities between us, and that we choose to refrain from being as nasty and rude and ignorant of the fact that others know subconsciously, that the giver of abuse, is really just making excuses for not trying to be as nice as they can be…..and in the long run will lose out because they did not take the responsibility seriously enough to care for himself or others..and will end up isolated and alone.
After all..we are the same.
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You make me laugh and you break my heart.
by seven006 inshelby, .
i will say the same thing to you as i said to shelby.
i read your posts when they are a flower and i think you are quite a woman and you posses so much love and understanding.
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Shelby.
I guess it comes down to the simple fact that it is not your place or right to tell us anything.
Once is ok, twice is enough.
Your Lord has verbalised his message through you...now..we all heard it.
Now please join in the discussions where and as you wish, but leave the preaching alone...
even JWs are instructed to leave the doorpeacefully and without upsetting the householder if they decline to engage in conversation re: the message..
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by Amazing inhi deacon: i am making this a separate post, because i believe that your comments deserve some discussion on their own thread.. you opened and then concluded by saying, "you know what amazing?
you can take the man out the wt but not the wt out of the man.
why do you choose to open and close with insults?
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no, not really ....60th on board I believe
DeaconSenior Member
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To: Deacon
by Amazing inhi deacon: i am making this a separate post, because i believe that your comments deserve some discussion on their own thread.. you opened and then concluded by saying, "you know what amazing?
you can take the man out the wt but not the wt out of the man.
why do you choose to open and close with insults?
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I am now taking Mr. Moe's advice and dropping the subject. - Amazing
A wise choice
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by Amazing inhi deacon: i am making this a separate post, because i believe that your comments deserve some discussion on their own thread.. you opened and then concluded by saying, "you know what amazing?
you can take the man out the wt but not the wt out of the man.
why do you choose to open and close with insults?
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Right now Amazing there is little you can do for anyone.
You have a right to espouse your opinions, as clipped or verbose as you choose.
You have a right to make a public discourse out of whatever subject takes your fancy...You have a right to your righteous indignation as expressed in this post...
but...when someone disagrees with your style or methodology, or comments, dont pull the injured ex anointed elder martyr wounded pride routine..for that is exactly as it appears to be coming across to me.
You will not get far with obscuration of the main reason for posting..and that is to explain why people seem to have misquoted or misunderstood your words. Perhaps because your words were not what you intended to say, or perhaps because you did not state clearly?..in either case, you have not gauged the likely response factor given the nature of this board and your subject content very well.
You elicited a response from me. You dont have to like it.
I dont merit my own thread, I dont merit the time you are pouring into this subject....it says more about your self opinion than it does about the subject matter in hand.
I disagreed with you.
I still disagree with you....and while you continue to flagrantly justify your own message with rhetoric and circuitous reasoning in the manner of an affronted elder...I will continue to disagree with you.
and that sir, is my personal observed opinion of which I require no ratification of by my peers..
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I Said Goodbye
by Farkel inmy father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.
i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.
his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.
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one day ..we will know what the truth is, what the future really holds for us, what the reason for this love inside for our families is all about...because right now, we havent got a clue...
In hearing of your sadness, I would just like to offer a word of praise for your father in raising a son to be proud of, and Im sure he was very fulfilled with that accomplishment.
My thoughts are with you in this sad time.....very much so.
Take heart old son...
You are welcome to come and visit for a while. Just let us know and we will arrange everything.
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Fark..if you are considering going to the Salt Lake City arrangements, and are a little stretched at this time...NPY and I would be priveleged to help with the airfare. Just let us know... -
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Deepening Saddness
by Amazing ini look back on the 1970s with a sense of loss and nostalgia.
i was a young man, just married, and so much in love with my beautiful wife.
i had just started my engineering career, and was debt free.
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Its a strange old thing..life I mean.
In therapy with deeply hurt ones, The aim is to try and get the client/patient/hurt person to see a fundamental truth that we as humans seem to not be able to grasp at times...
There are three stages to life. The past, the present and the future.
The future we know nothing about. The present is right now and unfolding with input from nature, from the environment and from the decisions we make ... right now.
The past is the result of decisions and steps we took back then, along with whatever occurred with or without our permission. However, the past no longer exists..it is but a memory....a memory that can no longer hurt us except by our emotional attachment to it...
Being a Witness was the best we could do at the time.
Its over, its past and its a memory...not wasted time..just time spent in living out lives...
As for what is to come..we dont know..but we have right now....and its all ours.
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How can you go back?
by notperfectyet ini talked to my parents tonight.
the first time in a year and a half.
i will save you all the boring details of my life, being raised in the truth by an elder dad, pioneer mom, yada, yada.. tonight they were very loving and kind.
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There is much more to the story than NPY outlined.
They know she is remarried.
They know Im disfellowshipped.
They know...lots...but did they ask about me?
Did they ask about the marriage?
Did they ask anything other than the business in hand? (and that was a favor asked of her)no
"please keep going to meetings daughter...
You know our beatings and harshness was for your own good...you know we wont talk to anyone associated with the family who is weak or out of the truth....we will ignore all our flesh and blood...why do you all keep away from us? whats your problem? start a study, bomb 'em with love, get their heads wet and then let them fend for themselves...its the right way to be...the Society say so"er.....
So I never will get to meet the in laws....
sigh... how lucky can one guy get
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How can you go back?
by notperfectyet ini talked to my parents tonight.
the first time in a year and a half.
i will save you all the boring details of my life, being raised in the truth by an elder dad, pioneer mom, yada, yada.. tonight they were very loving and kind.
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you bathe daily?
sheesh how moral can you get...