Posts by lovelylil

i have noticed many great minds out there and i am in need of some advice, i am looking for some ideas on how to handle a situation.. i left the wt with my family about two years ago now.

Your friend sounds like the same person. My friend also walks right in my home. She is already married and HATES her husband. That is one thing she is always venting about. She brings up the problems she had because her hubby was an unbelieveing mate and opposed her when she was in the WT. But, I pointed out that now she can work on her marriage because she is out, and she says she can't because she will always hate him. I am like, then leave him. Why stay in a marriage that you hate? Your kids are grown. But then she says she needs his money. It is always something. I think I will have to be nice, but honest about my feelings. Thanks everyone for your advice so far, keep it coming guys. Lilly

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Need Some Advice Please

by lovelylil in

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as you know i have been posting for a while now and i want to say i am really enjoying it.

i love everyone here!

i have noticed many great minds out there and i am in need of some advice, i am looking for some ideas on how to handle a situation.. i left the wt with my family about two years ago now.

lovelylil

Hi everyone,

As you know I have been posting for a while now and I want to say I am really enjoying it. I love everyone here! I have noticed many great minds out there and I am in need of some advice, I am looking for some ideas on how to handle a situation.

I left the WT with my family about two years ago now. Right before I left another gal from my KH got disfellowshipped. This was the second time in less than two years. Anyway, I had contacted her after I DA'd. At first she told me not to contact her because she wanted to work her way back to the meetings, as she still thought it was the truth. Then a few months later, she contacted me and we have been hanging out for about 2 years.

Anyway, this lady is totally bringing me down, which is hard because I am usually very upbeat person. I love people in general and would help anyone out. But, this lady is totally living in the past. She has been talking about her disfellowshipping for this whole time. Every time we get together. And she also talks about all the mistakes she made raising her kids in the org. (they are both out) and how it made her unbelieving hubby mean to her, etc. etc.

I mean, she is so negative and constantly brings up all the wrongs that she says were committed against her, even things from years, I mean years, ago. Whenever I try to offer advice she cuts me off in mid sentence and does not listen at all. It got so bad that I told her to please stop talking about the KH and the Org. around my kids because they are still healing and have moved on in their lives and my hubby and I have too. But she STILL brings it up all the time. I offered her books to read by Ray Franz, she declined. I offered her books I have on Cults, she declined. I invited her to my new church, she said no. Anytime I bring up the bible she gets upset. No matter what we do, have coffee together, go walking, anything, she finds a way to slam the JWs and her hubby and her life. My kids told me she is so negative and mean, they hate when she comes over.

I have been avoiding her for a few weeks now and not answering her phone calls. I know this sounds mean but I don't want to hurt her feelings and the last time I tried to talk to her about this, she got really angry and loud. She is very confrontational and I am the opposite. The last few times I ignored her calls, she drove over and knocked on my door. She lives a few blocks away.

I normally would not cut off anyone but I realized the other day that if not for the fact that we were witnesses together, I have nothing in common with her. And I usually do not hang around very negative people. I thought maybe she was depressed because of the WT, but my hubby feels she is just a negative person. I told her maybe she should seek counseling because I am not equipped to help her with her problems. I really dont want her around my kids right now either because she makes them remember all the WT stuff they went thru. They had enough negativity in the WT I want to protect them emotionally right now.

I feel bad because she considers me her only friend. Thats another thing, she has not made any new friends at all since leaving the WT, 2 years ago. Isn't this strange? How can I deal with this situation without hurting her feelings? Do I sound totally selfish for putting distance between us? Sorry this is a long post. Thanks everyone. Lilly

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NEW BOOK Take Back Your Life

by Lady Lee in

i emailed the publisher this morning and did not expect to hear from him at least until monday.

but i have my response already.. the book can be found at the publisher's website .

http://www.baytreepublish.com/take-back-life-fr.html.

lovelylil

LL,

Thanks for the news, I am going to get a copy. Have a great day

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The Point of this Site?

by Samael in

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forgive me if i sound rude or this question has been answered elsewhere, as i am a neophyte and discovered your site through google in my religious studies.

from reading the various posts it seems that this site serves nothing more than an iconoclastic purpose.

was your experience as jw's so traumatic that now you can but put forth such effort to daemonize the religion?

lovelylil

Hi Samael,

welcome to the forum,

Have you ever been in a cult? If not then you may not understand the need for a site like this. Many who leave feel tremendous guilt and still have think they have sinned against God's only organization. But exposing the falshoods behind it, many people are helped and instead of living a life with no peace, looking over their shoulders for God to destroy them, they can move on to something better.

Some also use this site to make new friends and discuss their new beliefs whether Christian or otherwise.

It is kind of an online support group I guess you can say. I am only speaking for myself, I am sure others will give their opinion too. One more thing, If you have never been a part of the WT organization, then you will never understand how evil it is. It is important for us to get the message out. The WT is repsonsible for the deaths of literally thousands of people either directly (ban on blood transfusions) or indirectly (being the catlyst for many suicides). Once people become witnesses, they cannot go to sites like this. Our hope is they, like you, see this site before making the wrong decision.

I hope this gives some insight, please know it is not the People we are against but the WT organization itself. Have a nice day, peace be with you, Lilly

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Serina Williams is betting @ Kentucky Durby

by rekless in

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well, this takes the cake....i just heard an interview during the kentucky derby preshow, serina williams was being interviewed and was asked if she was going to bet, she said," i don't know anything about it so i' asked the man behind me to tell me which horses and i'll just pay the money.".

now you can bet and be in good standing..

lovelylil

I knew a gal who used to be in the same KH as the two williams sisters. She said they were treated as royalty! (hello, anyone here of creature worship?) I doubt any of the elders would reprove them as they seem to be the token cool witnesses and the society can point to them and say "see, we let kids do sports and such", what a load of baloney.

I wonder if anyone said anything to the williams sister who ran with the american flag drapped over her?

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deceased relatives and visiting in dreams

by snarf in

my grandmother passed away in december of this past year.

she believed that all religions were full of false teachings, therefor at times turning to supernatural beliefs.

she believed in ghosts, life after death, etc... anywho, i had a dream a couple weeks ago, very vivid, and we were riding in an old truck down a dirt road with corn growing on both sides.

lovelylil

Hi everyone,

I don't really have an answer but maybe it has to do with genetics?

The reason I say this is, my mom and grandma were estranged at the time my grandma died .And although we were hundreds of miles away, my mom knew her mom had just died. How? she dreamt it! I was around 12 and I was in my moms room while she was sleeping when she all of a sudden, shot straight up in bed and said her mom just died. When she called relatives, they wanted to know how she knew.

My daughter who is 13 also has similiar experiences. So I think there is some type of genetic link and some people are just more suseptable to these "visits".

I know my experience was real because everyone of my siblings remembers me calling them about it the next morning, right after the dream. We talk about it a lot and no one seems to have an answer except that mom somehow came back for dad.And just wanted me to know to tell the other kids. I think also becuase when we were growing up I was the second mother to the kids. I was the one too who handled all my moms medical issues and appt. for her cancer because the other kids were not strong enough emotionally to do it. I am the one who broke the news of mom's terminal condition to everyone, including my dad.So if mom wanted us kids to be prepared for something, she would pick me as the natural choice.

I am a Christian though and don't know how to reconcile this with my other beliefs but, also, I don't think I have to. I just accept it for what it was.

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"Urgent Information to all current and ex-Jehovah Witnesses!" email???

by pr_capone in

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friends

i just recieved this in my email.

http://sighost.org/sigs/jwboom.jpg (copy and paste please as firefox wont let me) .

wtf... a virus targeted specifically at us?

lovelylil

I am a little concerned that these people are planning to bomb the headquarters. I am against the WT but would hate to see any people hurt. Do you guys think we should warn the police in the area or do you think it is a hoax?

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deceased relatives and visiting in dreams

by snarf in

my grandmother passed away in december of this past year.

she believed that all religions were full of false teachings, therefor at times turning to supernatural beliefs.

she believed in ghosts, life after death, etc... anywho, i had a dream a couple weeks ago, very vivid, and we were riding in an old truck down a dirt road with corn growing on both sides.

lovelylil

Sorry for your loss,

I was very close to my mother and after she died, I dreamt she was alive and sitting in the kitchen of my dads home. Well, she was all dressed up like she was going out somewhere and I asked her where she was going and whether she knew she was dead. She told me she was there to wait for my dad and then they would be going out together. Before she could tell me where they were going, I woke up.

It was so vivid, I told all my family about it, except my dad as he was taking moms death badly. I told my hubby I was concerned about my dad but we blew it off because as far as we knew, he was not at all sick.

Within a week of the dream, my dad was also diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Mom died on June 4, 2001, Dad passed on June 4, 2002.

True story, I cannot explain it.