Posts by Anitar

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Need Help With Mexico/ Malawi!!

by Anitar in

huge news everyone!

i recently had a breakthrough with my mom.

we were debating last night for several hours, during which time brought up the mexico/malawi situation, which she of course being a faithful and blind witness, knew nothing about.

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Thank you everyone for your help! However, Rockhound, I don't think the link is working...

I think the trick is to show her from the best educational point of view possible. For so many witnesses, they think you're attacking them, when in reality you're trying to help them. She seems incapable of examining her beliefs from a logical point of view when I talk to her. She adores the organization and the dominance it has over her so much, it prevents her from thinking critically.

In a sense, I have to get her head out of the clouds and back down to earth.

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Need Help With Mexico/ Malawi!!

by Anitar in

huge news everyone!

i recently had a breakthrough with my mom.

we were debating last night for several hours, during which time brought up the mexico/malawi situation, which she of course being a faithful and blind witness, knew nothing about.

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Huge news everyone! I recently had a breakthrough with my mom. We were debating last night for several hours, during which time brought up the Mexico/Malawi situation, which she of course being a faithful and blind witness, knew nothing about. After appealing to the best of my knowledge to whatever common sense she has left, she finally agreed that if I can prove it to her, she would look at the evidence. She confidently reassured me that it never happened simply because she doesn't believe the GB would ever do that. So before she forgets, she needs to hear the facts. Now I desperately need to know about this because if anyone is familiar with my mom, they know how monumental this is. Here's what I need to know.

1) The complete account of what, when, how and why regarding what happened in Mexico and Malawi. It's been a while since I read Ray Franz's book and I can't remember exactly what happened.

2) Any possible excuses or "explanitions" the watchtower might have wrote in their literature. She needs to see proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that the watchtower is guilty of thousands of senseless deaths.

3) What is the best way to show her this information? She is 100 percent convinced that the Governing Body is the mouthpeice of God and I'm afraid this will cause her very serious emotional distress! How do I present the facts in a clear and unbiasd manner?

Thank you everyone so much, I appreciate anything you can give me. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but I can't help but to be excited, she even said she wants to know more about the United Nations scandal too! But that's a different subject. I know I'm treading on very thin ice right now. If she suspects "aposate" material (her words, not mine) than she'll shut down and never listen to me again. Thanks!

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What Do You Know About Wicca?

by Anitar in

for as long as i can remember, i think wicca is one of the most misunderstood of all religions.

last week, in my nature writing and literature class, a friend of mine gave a presentation of the history of wicca and an explanation of their beliefs.

basically in a nutshell, she said that wicca's believe that everything in life goes in a circle, from the life and death cycle to the calendar of holidays they celebrate.. i asked several questions, mainly trying to determine if they are a cult like the watchtower.

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For as long as I can remember, I think Wicca is one of the most misunderstood of all religions. Last week, in my Nature Writing and Literature class, a friend of mine gave a presentation of the history of Wicca and an explanation of their beliefs. Basically in a nutshell, she said that Wicca's believe that everything in life goes in a circle, from the life and death cycle to the calendar of holidays they celebrate.

I asked several questions, mainly trying to determine if they are a cult like the Watchtower. But they don't do anything like them. There's no shunning, no disfellowshipping, no elders. In fact, most Wicca's lead pretty normal lives and go to school and work like the rest of us.

It seems that many organizations, especially the Jehovah Witnesses, say so many bad things about Wicca's, like they worship the devil and have sex-worship orgies, and none of it is true. In fact, they don't even believe in the devil.

So my question is, what is the real truth? Does anyone here know anything about Wicca or witchcraft because I'm tired of hearing so many bad or superstitious things about them. I would appreciate any input if someone is familiar with them. Thanks!

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What JW's think people think of them...lol

by loosie in

i got this email and i thought i would share.

i got a chuckle out of it.

at morning worship with the bethel family, bro.

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Sure, that's how real people talk. Of course I want my children to be just like the JW's. There so well behaved, and not at all like robots or manequins!

By the way all you Watchtower lurkers, that was a little thing we use in the real world called sarcasam.

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transcript of a disfellowship appeal meeting -they can get you for anything

by jwfacts in

i have just received the transcript of the disfellowship appeal meeting from a person i know from a recording he took.

it is quite typical in the condescension of the elders.

unfortunately he did not record the initial meeting.

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You know, I'm starting to sense a pattern here. It all starts with gossip. One "friend" rats on another "friend." With all the backstabbing and mock trials going on, you would think they get off on destroying each other.

It seems the decision is always already made for them to get rid of the "wrongdoer." Next step is they open with a lukewarm-half assed prayer. Did anyone ever tell them that not every word in the bible is a prayer? Any idiot can take a verse out of context and twist it to fit their argument.

Then the elders lay the smackdown. DumDumDum! This is where I try not to laugh. They take themselves so seriously! Ohh, apostasy! Ohh, independent thought! AAKK!! Kill it before it spreads!

They proceed to distract you with a lame comparison to a drug dealer or an alcoholic, circumvent their own rules as well as the bible's, toss common sense and logic happily out the window, then finish off by throwing insults cleverly disguised as "spiritual guidance" until someone gets pissed off and walks away. I'm temped to say that they might as well get a monkey to conduct this meeting, but I don't want to insult the monkeys.

Oh, by the way, haven't you heard? The elders know what you're thinking. It's all part of their package-deal communication with God.

And then we come to pornography

Please forgive me, I just couldn't resist...

"Brother NoName, you have been charged with renting a copy of Pootie Tang from Blockbuster seven years ago. We have this on good authority from Jehovah that you took said video back to your home where you proceeded to abandon the use of your God given female spouse and engage in self abuse, or pummel yourself! How do you plead!?"

"Ah, ElderNoBrain, how do you know all that?"

"Oh, it's quite simple really. At the moment you were baptized, you were secretly drugged and while you were asleep we surgically implanted a GPS tracking device in your penis. This has a direct link to Jehovah, and of course, he only shares this link with us. Now, should you be proven guilty of these charges, which of course you already have, you will be faced with disfellowshipment. Don't worry, that's a real word. We totally didn't make that up."

"Than how come it's not in any dictionaries?"

"Because we haven't told the worldly people how to spell it. As I was saying, you are guilty of masturbation, which is one of the most hideous sex practices that Satan ever invented to lure honest hearted ones away from the truth. This vile and depraved practice- -"

"Um, ElderNoBrain, what's that under your foot?"

"What!? Pay no attention to the underage girl under the table!"

(readjusts himself) "As I was saying, based on this charge, you have been deemed spiritually weak and therefore must be expelled from the organization and we are to have no further contact with you, except once. Before Armageddon comes, please do us the favor of leaving your house in our name as I'm sure you'll be pre-occupied with the crows pecking away at your rotting carcass. It would really save us the trouble as most of us will be too busy with bone raking duty! Take care now!"

Have I made my point?

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Kingdom Hall shooting

by Stealth in

sad to see people so effected by this religon that they resort to violence.

i was glad to here no one was fatally ingured.

.

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I feel really bad for the woman who was shot.

The gunman might have been a father whose daughter was raped by a Jehovah Witness. I could definitely see someone doing that. Usually I don't condone violence, so hopefully he will be caught so we can see why he did it.

Unfortunately, this will only add to their persecution complex.

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The Star of Bethlehem, was it Satan?

by Fisherman in

the bible states that the star led the magi to herod, then to jesus.

was the star of satanic source?

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Hello Fisherman,

There's also another thread about the Bethlem Star here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/125612/1.ashx

I hope it helps!

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Judicial Committee Audio Recording

by Shaolu in

about a week ago i had my little meeting with "the bobs" (yuk yuk), and i got the whole thing digitally recorded.

it's available online, along with a written transcript here...

http://www.ichthusstudios.org/cults/jw/

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Hi Shaolu, if it's ok with you I'd like to share this with my local priest, he's a friend of mine and asked me to show him more about the JW's.

I got the idea from Mary, who as always, is a total genius

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I'm one of the EVIL SLAVE

by Amazing in

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basd on my comment to another post titled "1979," i thought that this would make an interesting separate topic.. a little history: many here are aware that i was an ms and then elder and of the anointed while a jw.

i openly professed anointing for 20-years of the 27-years i was associated with the watchtower.

since that time, i have totally and completely renounced all but one watchtower doctrine.

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Hey Mike,

Good to see you as always. I think you're referring to Jesus's comment about "it is better to tie a millstone around your neck and jump in the river than to deliberately change God's word, or use it to hurt others." I think that's what he said, I'm not sure about the exact phrasing.

A few posts back, someone mentioned how the Watchtower loves it classes and labels for people, and I could not agree more. You see, one of the ways the Watchtower has been able to maintain such a tight grip on its victims, or "congregation" all these years, while at the same time maintaining a low public profile, is that it takes so bloody long to explain it.

For example, my college is fairly small and non-competitive. I looked up Jehovah Witnesses in the library and found no books solely devoted to them, like Ray Franz, or Steve Hassan. However, there are many books det ailing the many cults in America dating back to the 1950's, and in every single book, there was one chapter devoted to the Jehovah Witnesses, and clinical definition, for lack of a better term, is that they are a cult.Keep in mind now that these are academics talking, purely from a psychological and sociological point of view. They say this so matter - of - fa c tly that it's hard for the reader to believe that they're anything other than a cult. In any case, the truth is out there, but only for people who are looking for it.

Take the United Nations situation. Notice how with all the stuff the Watchtower says about them, and all the hypocrisy, and with all of our efforts to expose their hypocrisy, the one people who have not said a word is the United Nations itself! This is because they either don't know or they don't care. I wouldn't be surprised if the UNICEF or the Catholic NGO's were sitting at the meetings across from the Watchtower representatives and laughing at them saying "look at how hypocritical they are! They think their smarter than us, and pretend we don't know what they're doing!"

Another reason they pretend to be normal is with child abuse. What happened to Mike is the common example of what happens to the average victim and their family in the Watchtower. Here is a strange and truly repulsive phenomena. The average Jehovah Witness finds the subject of pedophile just as disgusting as the rest of the world does, but for verydifferent reasons. We, along with the rest of society abhor pedophilia as a taboo, just like incest and cannibalism, for the very obvious reasons such as the detrimental effects on both the victim and their families, both physical and mental.

I know, I know, I'm just stating the obvious, but consider this. Jehovah's Witnesses do not condemn child abusebecause of how bad it is, but rather because of how bad it makes them look. Their primary concern has been, and always will be, the image of their organization, everything else is secondary. Unity at all costs.

"Strength through unity, unity through faith."

Starting to see the picture now, all you lurkers? This is an organization that almost rewards you for being a pedophile. Think about how many magazines you have seen condemning pre-marital sex, masturbation, gay people, drinking, smoking, even being in the same room with the opposite sex without a chaperone. All these things are not illegal in the real world, by the way. They're actually quite normal. But in Watchtower land they invented whole new words to describe these things such as "petting," and "pornea" and "loose conduct," any of which is grounds for "disfellowshipping," all except, you guessed it, pedophilia. You need a full confession or two eye witnesses to be found guilty, and even then, they don't ever tell the cops, just give him six months reduced privileges in the congregation and make him promise never to do it again. Isn't that weird? You can be disfellowshipped for premarital sex with a girl, except if she's underage, than it's quietly swept under the rug and never heard from again.

Think about that for a minute, then think about how many times the Watchtower has condemned pedophilia inside or outside their organization. No! All they say is "repressed memories," and "untrustworthy accusations." As if a ten year old girl would even know what it is, rather than lie about it. And they condemn the Episcopalians for having a gay bishop? It's absolute hypocrisy!

Does anyone remember when they were in kindergarten or elementary school, did they ever teach you about "stranger danger," or how to recognize when someone is touching you inappropriately, and what to do if they did? I remember it vividly; they used to say one of the most important things was to tell a school official or a responsible adult. They also stressed the importance that is is never the child's fault. But imagine being in an organization where they do think it's the child's fault. They look at the victim with distrust and suspicion and say "you're making false accusations against your brother and bringing reproach upon him and Jehovah's organization." Just imagine being a child in this sick organization.

When I compare the number of times they condemn the above mentioned sex lives of the rest of the world to their almost silence regarding child abuse, the only logical conclusion I can come to is that they encourage their members to become pedophiles through extreme social isolation and sexual repression.

What do you think Mike?

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SEX CRAZED ELDER CAN'T CONTROL

by DannyHaszard in

this is again top ranked news for jw keywords worldwide.

ex-elder can't control sex urges.

"he masturbates and fantasizes, so of course, he'd touch a girl.

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Wow, blame it on the briefcase, that's very original. And since when do you "accidently" touch little girls? Exactly where was he trying to put it in? Her pocket?

By the way, what is a ten year old girl, who is not his relative, doing in his kitchen baking him a pie? Where are her parents? Why are JW's so damn trusting of eachother? Just because you go to the same church with a man and share in the same rituals doesn't mean you know anything about him. That doesn't mean you leave your kids alone with him.

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