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  Please explain how disfellowshipping is a loving gesture

  by McKafka99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone please outline the rationale and scriptures used to support the idea that disfellowshipping is a loving gesture?

  i am trying to understand how this behavior is justified, when in my mind in seems a simple matter; one only needs ask oneself, 'if jesus (or jehovah) were standing next to you, would jesus (or jehovah), support any shunning-type actions?

  ' i find it very difficult that the answer would ever be 'yes'.

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  sbf:
  ***those who believe it is the "truth" practice disfellowshipping largely for the best of motives.***
  I think very few JWs actually believe DFing is an act of love; most get way too much pleasure out of shunning. That's why they go all out with the not-talking bit, even way past what the WTS says is necessary. When they can completely snub someone who's DFed or DAed, it makes them feel ever so superior and holy; it boosts them just a little farther up that spiritual ladder to Jehovah and confers upon them those wonderful, blissful feelings of certainty and glory. Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! Better than crack. And their suppliers are available five times a week.
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  We've been given our orders!

  by Cabin in the woods in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ah the joys of having a hubby that is in complete subjection to his witness sister!!!!.

  i love living my life according to the book of lori!

  she and frank are supposed to find a new care home for their father so today they made arrangements to go together and look for one.

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  Cabininthewoods
  ***She just calls and says she is changing plans...***
  If you're not willing to leave your husband, then you have to remove yourself from his and his sister's sicko relationship. If they make plans, refuse to have anything to do with them.
  ***If there is a funeral in the family she insists that Frank rides WITH her (she drives) and oh yeah if I want to come I can sit in the back***
  Refuse to attend the funeral or drive yourself in a separate car. If they say you're being petty, tell them riding in the back seat makes you carsick. Be blatant with the lie; they'll get the message.
  ***Frank stated clearly when we first got married that I was not going to be taken on any vacation...period...ever.***
  Plan and take your own vacations, either alone or with a friend. Don't ask Frank's permission to go.
  ***She knows this and every year stops in a week or so after they go to Maine or after their many road trips and tells me what fun they had and the places that they went for shopping etc.***
  Refuse to talk to her entirely. Say you have a sudden-onset headache and leave the room. Come back only after she has left. She'll soon get the message.
  I know these measures may seem rude, but you're being rude to yourself by allowing the sister to belittle you to your face. I have in-laws similar to your sister, and although my husband backs me up 100% (bless him!), I don't expect him to fight all my battles. When an in-law treats me rudely, my self-respect refuses to allow them to walk all over me. It's hard to do this at first, especially if you've been brought up to be polite and considerate to everyone, but it gets easier with time and your stress and anger will diminish. The sister may also reduce her bad behavior if she realizes you're not going to just sit there and take it anymore. If she or Frank say you're being small-minded and petty, tell her she taught you well.
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  How Jehovah's Witnesses are told to treat disfellowshipped Relatives.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread it was mentioned the witnesses do not shun disfellowshipped relatives, so i thought i would copy a few articles that show the watchtower says quite definitely that they are to almost totally shun relatives, along with some examples that i know personally.

  i personally know many that have not been contacted by their parents for years;my cousin was my best friend, and for a year before my disfellowshipping week after week i spent hours with her and her child, who spent 4 months of his first year in hospital.

  on the day of my disfellowshipping i was informed that i am no longer welcome there, and i have not seen my second cousin for 6 months now.

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  jwfacts:
  **I was told by my study conductor and also my mother that Jehovah always finds the wrongdoers, but he may allow up to 5 years to pass.***
  
  I faded almost 30 years ago, and if Jehovah has found out my "wrongdoing," he certainly hasn't bothered to tell the elders from my former cong about it. During that whole time I have not received a single visit, phone call, or letter from anyone in my cong outside of my immediate family. I've always been torn between feeling relieved they've left me alone and feeling angry that they obviously don't think I'm worth the trouble to try to bring back. Either way, the lack of love is overwhelming.
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  Please explain how disfellowshipping is a loving gesture

  by McKafka99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone please outline the rationale and scriptures used to support the idea that disfellowshipping is a loving gesture?

  i am trying to understand how this behavior is justified, when in my mind in seems a simple matter; one only needs ask oneself, 'if jesus (or jehovah) were standing next to you, would jesus (or jehovah), support any shunning-type actions?

  ' i find it very difficult that the answer would ever be 'yes'.

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  Welcome to the forum, godsgraceisfree.
  ***'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.***
  I'm not a christian but do agree with the principle of loving your neighbor as yourself. Many JWs, in my opinion, have little love for themselves (except for saving their sorry hides at Armageddon), so they find it difficult to love others, yet very easy to hate others for even the flimsiest of reasons.
  Expecting JWs as a group to love others is like trying to get blood from a stone--it just isn't there to begin with.
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  Door to Door-----End is Near----run to our Convention

  by RachelHall in

  1. social
  2. physical

  by ervin dyer.

  pittsburgh post-gazette

  it's 10:30 a.m. and a mix of sweat and rain bead up on the brow of dave hickok.

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  jwfacts: ***Even Noah only had to preach for 120 years.***
  
  LOL. And he had to divide his time between preaching and building the ark.
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  My big date!

  by Sparkplug in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had an big date with my kids tonight.

  i just really do love them.

  we went to the theater and saw les miserables.

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  You guys are a good-lookin' family!
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  Name the good things that Jw's have or believe....

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we always seem to get focused on the bad - and there is plenty of it for sure - and anyone who follows my posts knows i am no wt apologist by any stretch.

  but focusing on the postive is a good thing in the 'moving on' process i think too.

  what do you think jw's had right?.

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  Hi Jeff,
  I started a thread almost identical to yours a month or two ago. I was hoping that JW lurkers or new exJWs would find some comfort in seeing that their time as a JW was not completely without some redeeming merit.
  I got the same meager responses that you're now getting. I concluded that being a JW is a nearly entirely negative experience and that the best thing for those who are leaving is to get the experience as far behind them as quickly as possible.
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  My personal experiences. How long can I keep up this facade?

  by alienagent in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am a 34 your old man who has been raised a jw.

  i am baptised and have been inactive for some time now.

  i live with my mother (a devout jw) and my youngest sister who is df'd.

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  alienagent:
  ***Within the org. I am not free to marry, and so if anyone found out I was dating, I don't know what would happen.***
  JWs are willing to "wait on Jehovah" in the case of child molesters, but in the much more "serious" matter of an unattached man dating an unattached woman, they will instantly crank up their moralistic judge/jury/executioner process.
  
  ***I feel like decisions have been made for me and mere men within an organized religion have dictated to me every move I should make. Now I am breaking out of this shell.***
  You've all but made the decision to move out, and others on the board have advised the same. When I left the JWs many years ago, I visited my parents and told them my decision. They weren't surprised, as my meeting attendance, like yours, had pretty much bottomed out, but my mom went into hysterics, sobbing and yelling. To this day, I still consider it the most difficult thing I've ever had to do, and although I regret causing them pain, I had to do it or the JW religion would have completely smothered me--I'm not sure if I would have survived (I mean this literally). The point is, if you decide to move away and leave the JWs, you'll have to tell your family about your decisions and let the chips fall where they may. It won't be pleasant, but it will be worth it. Best of luck to you.
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  Please Help Me Help My Mom To See The Stupidity Of The Blood Doctrine

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she constantly parrots acts 15:29 to "abstain from blood".

  she showed me the latest awake that says something about how's there's a rare disease from taking blood transfusions that "hundreds" have gotten.

  i told her "hundreds in billions is nothing".

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  supersonic: ***Obviously that isn't the outcome in every case or no one would be dieing. People are so quick to pick faults.***
  
  When the point you're implying could put lives in jeopardy, yep, people will be quick point that out.
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  Please Help Me Help My Mom To See The Stupidity Of The Blood Doctrine

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she constantly parrots acts 15:29 to "abstain from blood".

  she showed me the latest awake that says something about how's there's a rare disease from taking blood transfusions that "hundreds" have gotten.

  i told her "hundreds in billions is nothing".

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  I gave up years ago trying to convince my parents about the stupidity of the blood ban. Since I live fairly close by, whenever they need to be hospitalized (pretty often since they're elderly), I try to make sure I'm there not only for emotional support but also just in case they need blood. Don't know if that would fly with docs, but at least my parents have a slightly better chance if I'm there.
  
  Supersonic: ***My granda was told that without having blood it was almost certain he would die, they did everything they could to get him to take the blood but he wouldn't budge, this was a very serious operation and he came through it unscathed and is still with us 5 years later and has had no problems since.***
  He was very, very, very lucky. Can you guarantee that everyone in a medical crisis who refuses blood will survive and recover? Your recitation of one fortunate example does not in any imply that that will be the outcome in every case.