i keep reading small bits here and there where people mention the " follow the christ" convention states the governing body is now " the christ".
can anyone clarify this or know which talk it is , have audio or video?
any more information of any kind would be appreciated..
Gary Buss-
What's the Governing Body's disagreement with Jehovah, and why can't they settle it?
I thought they were trying to say that the governing body (by extension all the annointed) mediated the new covenent for all mankind, in effect making them the mediators for the other sheep class instead of Jesus.
Did I get this wrong?
also, when did they first come up with the idea that satan was thrown down to earth in 1914?
This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man’s existence into the decade of the 1970’s. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia. …Page 324 of the above book positively says: “The King’s presence or parousia began in 1914.””
Well, there we have it. It is because they said so. That is why his "invisible presence" began in 1914. Of course, this was obviously Rutherford's change from the "truth" that Russell came up with, that of the invisible presence in the year 1874.
Note that they are "positive." That is until new light comes.
my name is ruby parker.
i am 29 years old.
i was disfellowshipped when i was 16, i have completed a double major in anthropology and religion studies.
Ruby
I understand if you do not wish to or do not have the time to post your story with us now. But I was wondering; without family support how were you able to go on to college and earn degrees? Does your family know what you have accomplished?
You have overcome tremendous challenges. Perhaps at this time you do not want to include your own story in the documentary, but at a future time I am sure it would be an inspirational story for many.
Do you have plans for sharing it with viewers on perhaps writing about it?
i must have missed this on my travels thru different x-dub sites, but i think i read something on here about their "new light" regarding the timing for armegeddon.
since its been over 30 years since 1975, how do they predict armegeddon now?
what do they tell new converts regarding the 1975 debacle?
You're COMPLETELY wrong; after over 100 years, it looks like my HQ has FINALLY learned to stop trying to date it! (You think Jesus' words woulda sunk in....!)
Martian, you have hit the nail right on the head!
Wouldn't you think that after the dates of 1874 being the start of Jesus' rule, then 1914 being the absolute date of Armageddon, then 1925 being the date of the resurrection of the "ancient worthies" and then of course, 1975, that they would admit to being wrong? But no, that would have to imply that the "HOLY SPIRIT' gave them the wrong information.
Yes, as you said, you'd think Jesus' words woulda sunk in...!
But as we all know, not with these folks. Good post!
i was never a witness, i joined this site after my wife started studying with them, and i got upset over some of the things that resulted from that.
however, i grew up in a similar high-control group called the worldwide church of god.
much like the witnesses, in the mid 70s ( i forget the exact year, i was only in elementary school in those days, but it may have been 75, just like jws), there was a big push toward the end being at hand, the great tribulation is coming, etc etc.
When I was first "in," being baptized in 1973, I remember the WTS publishing the statement that we must face the facts if we are young in this system of things. We would never get old. I think they were using this in reference to pioneering instead of getting an education.
Well, I faced those facts then. Of course, I am facing the fact now that I am 55 years old and have no college degree and a low paying job with no retirement savings.
How long can they keep making statements like that and people keep blankly nodding in agreement?
Well, oddly enough, their methods continually seem to work. They put just the right "spiritual" spin on things. They are masters at "new light" such as the "generation" change from 1995.
Yes, until 2035 I think they can keep alot of people happy with the "it's just around the corner" spiel. After that, it will become interesting. How can they explain anything away at that point?
Of course, I would be so old at that time, I may not remember my own name, or remember what's supposed to interest me.
i'm new to this forum.
i was raised a jw by 3rd generation witnesses.
most of my relatives are witnesses.
I personally can't STAND him. He told my husband they could have a relationship as long as he never disassociated himself(by writing a letter)
Welcome to the forum.
While I understand that you have personal feelings against you FIL, he still is your husband's dad. Actually, we are always on this forum stating that just because a person leaves the organization, doesn't mean your family should shun you. I think your FIL is trying within his parameters to still have a relationship with his son, which is more than many get when they don't go regularly to the KH. Plus obviously he knows that you are both considered "apostate" and as long as his son doesn't write a letter, you FIL is still willing to buck to JW mindset and talk with him.
Perhaps they could see each other away from your presence. Maybe meet for coffee or some activity while you are out shopping, etc.
8/22/86, questions from readers excerpt.
*** approved association with jehovah's witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the bible, including those scriptural beliefs that are unique to jehovah's witnesses.
what do such beliefs include?
That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."-John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.
This magazine was in 1986. That was twenty years ago. what if some of the people were 60or 70 years old at the time. Will they be the present "great crowd" ? As time goes on, what of the ones who were younger when this info was published?
Oh, yes, I forgot. The end is near.......
how have jws expressed their views as to the prayers of people that aren't jws?
do they think god listens and answers?.
for instance, one elder that was speaking of prayer said, "just think how wonderful it is.
I remember reading that God heard the cries of people against Sodom and Gomorrah.
Also, Jesus is the mediator between God and men, and he died for ALL people.
God is called the hearer of prayer, so yes, It seems he does listen to more than six million people.
just wondering if ex-jws find it hard to trust others since their bad experience or are they still gullble souls?
just wondering because some of the stories i read about past experiences are off the charts!
some of you, your childhoods, your parents are seriously jacked up!
Why would I have to counsel someone for just coming to this site?
Since every Convention and many meetings have warnings against the internet,and apostates, and certainly the WTS disfellowships people for "conversing" with apostates, are you trying to say that you do not think this site falls under these parameters by the WTS?
In actuality, you are also an apostate, since you are expressly "going against" directions from the FDS class by interacting with posters on this site.
You might "inadvertantly" see Pat Robertson on TV on Sunday morning, but you do not "inadvertantly" come here to this site; you sought it out. Here is my question---will you answer it??
DO YOU FEEL THAT THE WTS WOULD VIEW YOU AS APOSTATE AND FORM A COMMITTEE IF THEY KNEW THAT YOU WERE "SPEAKING" TO APOSTATES ON THIS SITE?
yes when i heard them say to guard against "independent thinking" at .
assembles, congregation meetings, and in print, i immediately feel a cold feeling run down my back, like something evil and not jehovah.
thinking about it now, i can't" understand how everyone else who is still a witness cannot be just as unsettled by the admonishment to guard against "independent thinking".
Anytime you have a religion or anyone else saying to you that you can't think for your self apart from Landru" (GB) then its time to get your fool head out of the sand.
I so enjoyed the Star Trek series on TV and remember Landru and how stupid I thought it was that everyone had to "seek Landru's thoughts." I was glad when the aliens were taken out from under his spell.
At the same time, I would not do or dare think any thoughts of my own without finding out "how the society views this."
I remember scrupulously looking up information (from a 50's Awake) about Pinatas when my daughter was very young. The Awake article said that this was no innocent game, but was from FALSE RELIGION. I wanted nothing to do with it, nor would I allow my child to be anywhere near them at school if they were used in any type of party.
Then, a more recent article came out that said that now if they are not commonly viewed as having any tie to false religion, they are O.K.
WHAT THE HEY!!! I must have looked like some sort of idiot to the other parents at school. Now, it is different-with a few strokes of the keyboard in New York it is all hunky-dory.
I too was "seeking Landru."
