just curious if the message is the same or anything extra in it.
i'll eventually read it to decide if i think it's in agreement and inspired.
to those who say no books would be added after revelation, i say read that scripture again, it's for the book of revelation itself.
TD
Thanks very much for the information and reasoning about artifacts from the era.
I am fascinated by history and am getting a degree in it at this time.....58 years old, a bit late, but over thirty years of equating ignorance with godliness....at any rate, certainly there would be lots of evidence from a civilization anywhere near this advanced!
I do, however, like the imaginative artwork...very well done.
i am new here this is my first post but ive been looking at some of the topics here for 2 or 3 months.
well i guess i should give yall a backround of myself.
i am a teenager, so i cant tell my family(mostly jws) how i feel.
Welcome.
You have already received so much good advice on making a goal-education-and starting on it now. Knowledge is power, and once you get your degree no one can take it away from you. You will have a much greater range of choices in life.
Please show respect to your parents, but when you study together, you can ask questions such as, "Why do they allow blood fractions now, when in the past it was different? Why do they not allow whole blood but allow fractions, which are parts of the same blood?" "If we can't donate blood, why is it O.K. to take parts of a stranger's blood?"
You never know what the future holds-maybe they, in answering your questions, could start their own path of questioning. I was "in" for over thirty years, and am out now, following just such questions in my own mind......you never know!
and may you all have peace!.
i would like to understand, please, if someone cal help me:.
if, when you come out of "her," the most glaring and obvious of things that with you is anger, hatred, intolerance, irritability, deceit, loose conduct (and i mean the really loose, not just the typical) and things like these... such that when you communicate with others, including but not necessarily those still in "her"... these things a manifest... are you proving "her" right... that life is "better" on the inside, at least as far as "they" can "see" it?.
I don't think I really understood what you are asking. Are you saying that the JWs are happy and that we should all go back?
I will readily admit to bitterness, because I was foolish enough to get involved with the JWs over thirty years ago. I didn't read books other than the ones published by the WT, didn't finish my education, didn't go on vacation much (low paying jobs, always in service on weekends) and I distanced myself greatly from my parents, who are now dead, and I can't tell them I'm no longer "in" and spend the Christmases and birthdays with them that they missed with me and my family.
It is getting better for me after some five years. I try to keep myself very busy so I don't have time to think about it so much.
I would like to not be bitter, and am working on it. Deceit? Where do you get that one? I no longer try to convince myself that the flip-flops over Sodom and Gomorrah, and the changing "generation" explanations are "new light" from God.
i want to take this opportunity to say goodbye to all of the members on jwn and thank you for your support over the years.. circumstances have arisen that make it impossible for me to continue posting here.. i have truly appreciated your love and support during some hard times when i had no one else to talk to.. you showed compassion and a non-judgmental, christlike attitude for thoughts and feelings that could not be openly expressed to any of the brothers in the congregation for fear of reprisal.
for that, i am so grateful!.
thanks to the many of you that could relate to the pain and worthlessness that i have felt about myself for so many years because of my experiences and upbringing in the truth.
You helped me through depression, sadness, loneliness and and have given me a lot of strength with your own experiences and advice. You have helped pull me through some pretty dark times.
Then please never forget that we are still here for you, and wish you every success. Come back when you need us, or are able to post again, please.
"I long to accomplish a great and noble task, but it is my chief duty to accomplish small tasks as though they were great and noble." Helen Keller (accomplished author although blind and deaf)
due to health reasons (cost of a pack as well) i've gotta stop smoking....terry suggested smokless cigeretts.
what's a good way to stop?
i have managed to cut down to less than 10 a day, but have got to stop period.
Cigs are sooooo expensive.
How about this? After 10 days without smoking, take the money that you would have spent and buy yourself a nice dinner, or something that you've been wanting.
After one month without a cigarette, do something really special with the money you would have spent. Then breathe deeply, knowing that your lungs are healing, you sense of smell has improved, and you are no longer a slave to a tobacco company who's aim is to take your money and harm you with its product.
YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!
things have been rather tight for the wt org in the money department lately, so-oo,----the good news is the wt has found all the money it needs from the brothers and sisters to run all it's worldwide operations!!!!--.
the bad news is it's, still in the brother's wallets!.
moshe-laughing about the end of the wt org, due to lack of donations from the brothers- shoot, they have a whole 'nother generation.
Ha! You are right-they are cheapskates.
Maybe some "new light" will reveal that "evidently" the scriptures say that tithing was not part of the law code and shouldn't have been done away with!
google_ad_section_start back ground: been da'd for 17 years, bio mother and step father uber jw's, step father elder.
since da'ing my mother has always sorta kept in contact with me...until recently.. three years ago i started dating a guy, my bio father and step mother did not approve of.
my mother loved it, she fed off it.
I know that there may be only one thing that may win her over, and that is love,
You are right, of course. Never give up.Here is a hug for you.
The day may come when she is treated badly in the congregation, and "wakes up." Don't burn bridges behind you so that you can't repair your relationship should this happen.
Maybe you could send her a card in the mail-one of those special Mom cards. Tell her that since you now have a child, you know the special bond and protective love a mother feels. Maybe thank her for changing all your diapers, etc. when you were a child. Tell her she is always in your thoughts. As hard as it is, stop there.
Even if there is no answer, you can feel that you've opened the door. Give her time. I hope that she may one day get the courage to walk through it.
I have a grown daughter, and love her dearly. I think your mother is trying her best to please the WTS, and not her heart.
whaddya think?
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Not forced, but encouraged. I don't agree with bi-lingual schools even though I work in one.
I think all consideration and patience should be given to any child that speaks a language other than English, but instruction should be given in English.
I have worked with children from Vietnam, Japan, Jordan, Norway, Iran, and France. Within one year of being in this country, with all English instruction, they began mastering the language-with help given for awhile.
It is tremendously expensive to find and hire bilingual teachers-have staff that can translate-have two sets of books-one for the morning in Spanish, the other for the afternoon in English. Not to mention the library books in Spanish, etc. No wonder teachers are being laid off by the droves and school districts are operating in the red!
Add to this that they need to be fully schooled in mastering the English language in order to get a job in the future.
I am all for preserving your heritage-with your family-not paid for by the United States of America.
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ericwebportal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ericextsearch_searchvalue_0=ed018874&ericextsearch_searchtype_0=no&accno=ed018874.
if anyone cares or dares to read this, this is how it was when i was 13 years of age.. the gap in funding for black and white kids' education is still stunning to me 46 years later, but it's there in black and white.. it's a testament to our determination and fortitude that we acquired an education at all.. this, in the richest country on the planet!.
for your edification and, hopefully, understanding.. syl.
african americans are justly angry about the treatment they have receieved.
In the past, Americans of color did receive unjust treatment. I am from the South, and I did not go to school with anyone other than whites until I was in high school.
However, now, all are afforded the same opportunity. People like Martin Luther King eloquently gave voice to the plight of children, and wanted all children to get the same education. That is why I find it hard to understand why today many young black people do not do everything they can to claim the rights that Dr. King and others strove for and that he ultimately gave his life for.
I work in an elementary school, so I know whereof I speak. We do so much to try to motivate these kids, but I don't understand why it's considered "cool" to be uneducated.
There is no longer a reason for anger....but there is every reason to get an education....knowledge is power.
***13. in recent times there have been cases in which an elder happened to meet a disfellowshipped person.
where appropriate, the shepherd briefly outlined the steps to be taken for reinstatement.
some persons like this repented and were reinstated.
My daughter was 16 when 5 elders in a JC berated and humiliated her, then df'd her, after making her read a scripture from Rev. about liars that would burn in the lake of fire with the devil and his angels. That was over five and 1/2 years ago.
They have NEVER attempted to contact her in any way.
B@$t@d$
