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Is it really so? Is there an inner circle here?

by Celtic in

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before some of you jump down my throat thinking i'm stirring muddied waters, i'm not, but, a question has been on my mind here more often than not, who exactly is the membership made up of here, within this community, of an inner circle so to speak?

you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours etc pile of poo.. personally, i've had enough of clicky groups and cliches to last me a lifetime, so, who are these guys that try to keep others excluded from their small brained 'in club'?.

celtic mark - cornwall uk

detective

I tend to agree with the "who cares?" sentiment. I've never met anyone from this board. Some people here have met each other and I'm sure some bonds have been formed as a result but it's pretty much irrelevent in my opinion. This board is just a part of my life. Generally speaking, I'm more concerned with the people who are in my everyday life. People I can see and talk to and touch- now that's where my priorities lie. This board can be a great place to visit. It's a great place to learn new things, maybe offer a little comfort and possibly blow off a little steam. It's a valuable resource certainly. But I would hope that I didn't put so much stock in people that I've never met that I forget to keep a healthy perspective on what this place really is- an online posting board. It doesn't define me. And if someone is so wrapped up in being defined by an online posting board then....well, they might want to take a break and rethink their priorities.

In crowds and elitism here... it really doesn't matter when you turn the computer off at the end of the day.

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A poll of xJWs in reference to blood and guts

by writerpen in

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friends

in a thread started by uglyduckling she stated that her dreams were: "ghastly visions of bloody mayhem and mutilation, not only of me, but also my husband and my little dog.".

i had been working with a therapist for about a year prior to leaving the borg and one of my complaints was that throughout my life i had a recurring dream of blood and guts.

for example i would be walking down main street where i lived and there would be blood, guts, and body parts everywhere.

detective

My friend, as a JW, could never remember any of his dreams. He spoke often about how he couldn't even recall if he dreamed or not. Now that he's been out for a few months, he regularly tells me he had dreams and is able to give a few vague details about them (they seem to be fairly mundane and pleasant dreams sometimes featuring a family member or a good non-religious memory). So, he isn't reporting any nightmares, just dreams. That's a big change from the guy who didn't think he dreamt at all!

I've toyed with the poignancy of the symbolism that now that he's out he can finally dream. But, I really don't know for a fact that his leaving has anything to do with his sudden dream recollection. I believe it must contribute somehow though.

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Soooo not out! Talking to an ex-jw...

by detective in

well, i damn near put my foot in it this evening.

a friend of mine who is well aware of my continuing friendship with a jw (now allegedly ex-jw) told me i should meet an ex-jw that he knows.

i felt pretty excited about meeting an ex-jw face to face as i've longed for a chance to speak honestly with someone who knows the organization well and my friend isn't ready to really discuss the issues yet.

detective

Well, I suppose if I were gay her breasts might be of interest to me. Of course, I have my own to play with if I felt so inclined...

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What a sad little life...........

by LyinEyes in

i heard this song on the radio yesterday, and everytime i hear it i get goose bumps and cry.

i thought i would post it , it seems to be so relevent now because of all the child abuse that is going on in the world right now.

there are so many forms of child abuse ranging in different degrees of depravity and cruelty.

detective

Not to belittle your point, Lyineyes but I have to comment on that song. I personally find it ridiculous when some "christians" decide to write moralistic songs, plays, poems etc. that openly stereo-type non-christians. Such is the case with that particular song.
Non-believers= druggie, alcoholic, abusive... essentially all things criminal or devoid of any type of moral character.

Substitute any ethnic or religious group into this phrase and read the lyrics with that group in mind:

Two (non-believers) walking lost in this world took their baby with-in, what a sad little girl.

When you substitute another religious group or ethnic group is sounds downright bigoted...and it is!

I think your concern for the children who are hurting is far warmer and more loving than a song like this could even be. Probably, because you think with such care in your heart for little ones, it didn't even cross your mind that this song could be pretty offensive to those who are not christian. I believe I understand your personal kindness so I hope I am making myself clear in that I have an issue with the lyrics of this song, but no issue with you or your thoughts.

I'll close with a poem from a witness on "unbelieving mates". It makes my skin crawl no matter who acts like a bigot (at least the witness threw in HIV to really hit the point home)...

Poem "He Doesn't Serve God"
> >
> > I met him at work one day
> > On my lunch break, I was about to pray
> > We talked on and on and oh, he's such a gentleman
> > I wished that moment would never end
> >
> > But then reality brought forth, the end of my lunch hour
> > As he arose, he stood as strong and tall as a tower
> > We met again and again; our souls began to cling
> > I've pondered, "Could this be the real thing?"
> >
> > He doesn't smoke, drink or gamble money
> > He doesn't take drugs and he's no else's honey
> > Let's face it, he's fine and has a great bod
> > The truth? Oh well, he doesn't serve Jehovah God
> > For I know that he will change in time
> > So that is why I shall make him mine
> >
> > My friends tried to warn me. Did I listen? Did I care?
> > Little did I know, my life would be one of despair
> > The wedding went fine; the judge married us in fall
> > You see, I couldn't have my wedding in a Kingdom Hall
> > My dad? No, he didn't give me away
> > With the pain in his heart, he didn't have much to say
> >
> > Mom, can you hear me? Mom, why do you cry?
> > Don't worry bout me, we'll do just fine
> > I got a good man, who has a good job
> > The only thing is, he doesn't serve God
> >
> > Everything went fine, only recently at night
> > When the meeting times come, we fuss and we fight
> > "Who is this God, breaking us apart?
> > Don't go tonight, follow your heart."
> > So I listen, to keep the peace in my home
> > But often times, I feel so alone
> > Guess cause I don't associate much with the friends at all
> > You see, I stopped going to the Kingdom Hall
> >
> > Service? Oh, well that's history
> > I just decorated my first holiday tree
> > The holiday celebrations are now a part of my life
> > I must obey my husband, for I am his wife
> >
> > The brothers would call, I wouldn't answer the door
> > I stopped reading the literature, it got to be a bore
> > You see, marrying out of the Truth, gets one free
> > Free from Jehovah's love that I once had within me
> >
> > Oh blessed news, a little one to come
> > I couldn't wait, had to hurry and tell my Hon
> > He was in a bad mood, just lost his job that day
> > He told me all this as he struck my face
> > "I'm sorry, babe. Forgive me this time, please."
> > I've heard these words more than once you see
> >
> > Two jobs I have now, as I support my household
> > My husband stays home--still out of work--it's getting old
> > I'm tired a lot lately, and feeling kinda strange
> > My schedule at both jobs, I've rearranged
> > The baby is due anytime now
> > Things will get better some way, some how
> > For I married a man for better, or worse
> > One who refuses to put Jehovah first
> >
> > The baby came, so little and light
> > It wasn't crying, something was not right
> > What could it be, I wondered in bed
> > Then came the Doctor, he just shook his head
> > "Mrs. Unbeliever, there's something to confess
> > You and the baby tested positive to the HIV test"
> > Oh my!! What a death sentence to hear
> > That the end of both of our lives is near
> >
> > Listen to me, let me tell you to your face
> > To marry an unbeliever is a total disgrace
> > Jehovah, a loving father, who cares for his sheep
> > So he set guidelines for us to hold and to keep
> > Let me say this, just to set things straight
> > He'll give you a nice brother, a theocratic mate
> > Cause there's nothing a worldly man has to offer at all
> > But unhappiness, sorrow and a serious fall

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Soooo not out! Talking to an ex-jw...

by detective in

well, i damn near put my foot in it this evening.

a friend of mine who is well aware of my continuing friendship with a jw (now allegedly ex-jw) told me i should meet an ex-jw that he knows.

i felt pretty excited about meeting an ex-jw face to face as i've longed for a chance to speak honestly with someone who knows the organization well and my friend isn't ready to really discuss the issues yet.

detective

thanks for the info, italianmama!

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JW article in major Canadian newspaper today...

by Pathofthorns in

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friends

i almost didn't have time to read the morning's paper, but a banner at the top of the front page entitled "cheerleading for jehovah" got my attention.

interesting comments in the toronto star can be read here.

the article has obvious input from the society and seems to be a pr type move in light of recent bad canadian press (calgary blood case) and likely future canadian programs exposing jws and child abuse.. interesting comments:.

detective

Ugh!

(rolls eyes)

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Lance Bass N'space (In Installments)

by pale recluse in

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part i - the prequel .

watch this space for further installments.

netx: part ii - "stardate 10:12:02

detective

Of all the entertainers I'd love to launch to outerspace, Lance Bass isn't even close to being on the list.

So, here are my nominees for entertainers I'd like to send off to outer space for a extremely lengthy amount of time:

1.Celine Dion (So long Dion!)

2.Britney Spears (Sorry boys, but she's en route to becoming a washed up hasbeen at this rate, this spaceshot could use the hiatus)

3. John Tesh and his lovely wife Connie Selleca (It looks like new age didn't work out for Johnnyboy so now he's peddling christian music. He's destined for spaceness and his revirginized wife, as a back up singer to his pop-gospel pap, ...she'd be be pleasantly surprised to be around a star that isn't fading.)

I'll add to my list later... but that's a start. Anybody else got any "must goes" to send off to space?

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Bad Day

by Sirona in

i'm posting here because i can't find any other forum to post to about this....plus you all know me and you are a great group of people.. i'm having a really bad day today.

all of a sudden it seems to have "hit" me that i had cancer.

i've been all clear for about 3 months, but all the while i've been terrified of it returning.

detective

It sounds very frightening. I do not know of any online cancer survivors support groups but I'm sure there are many out there. I hope you are okay. Hang in there!

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JW tract by Jack Chick

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0026/0026_01.asp

detective

Oookay. no time for a court order but enough time to instantly deprogram a family? Think suspension of disbelief before you read it.

BUT, if put aside the ramming of Christianity down our throats and think of it in terms of trying to save the life of a child dying of blood loss then okay- try anything to loosen the grip of that deadly policy.

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Whitehawk? Who is Whitehawk?

by Francois in

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friends

anybody else getting email from some character calling himself whitehawk?

i started getting unsolicited email from this clown this morning.

claims he's a jw.

detective

I wonder about this type of spammer. I've been here almost a year now, my email has been open since my arrival here. I have over five hundred postings and yet I've never received a single unsolicited debate/hate mail. I've received a few emails, but none from active witnesses who want to debate or berate me. I wonder if it's because I'm not confrontational enough or if it has something to do with my never having been a witness in the first place. You'd think us non-witnesses would be the ones getting emails telling us how wrong people on this site are. Maybe they don't get that rush of naughtiness emailing us the way they do when they talk to "evil" apostates?

Why would an active witness prefer to write to the ever dreaded apostate rather than the subtstantial number of non-witnesses who are also on this site? I find that odd. It's almost as if these active witnesses want to do something rebellious like talk to an ex-jw. Hmmmmm. I wonder why that is...raaahlly I do.