I'm actually between Liverpool and Chester a place called Great Sutton.
Hey, Hey. Calm down, Calm down.
Went to Liverpool last year, started at the Cavern, hit a few others then ended up in Flares. Had a great night.
Paul
hello my name is jackie i'm from uk from the north area.
are there anymore of you out there that live near me?
i left the org over 20 years ago but still feel i had such wasted years in it and lost my youth.
I'm actually between Liverpool and Chester a place called Great Sutton.
Hey, Hey. Calm down, Calm down.
Went to Liverpool last year, started at the Cavern, hit a few others then ended up in Flares. Had a great night.
Paul
1914 doctrine was a major thing to me at the time i was a witness, i loved explaining it and saying we had the truth.
but there were so many witnesses that couldn't explain it at the time and only had a basic concept as to how they came up with the date.
i wonder how many here could explain and understand this when they were a dub?
1914 doctrine was a major thing to me at the time i was a witness, i loved explaining it and saying we had the truth
But there were so many witnesses that couldn't explain it at the time and only had a basic concept as to how they came up with the date. I wonder how many here could explain and understand this when they were a dub? Or was it just accepted as being told by the WT so they must be right?
Paul
one of the hardest things for me to admit, even more than a decade after having cut off witness ties as much as possible, was the possibility that they might be a cult.. i would always tell people that jw's had messed up ideas, that they screwed up people's families, etc., but a cult?
surely i wasn't born into a cult.
the following is one definition i found on the internet:.
About a year or so after i left the borg i did a Sociology college course. Within that we covered the Sociology of Religion where we covered 10 points that defined a cult. As i was reading it i was amazed to find i could apply 9 of them to the JW's. The only one i couldn't was that a cult tend to has a charasmatic leader, on reflection that could be applied the society itself.
This was a real eye opener for me.
Paul
not sure if i think scientology is better or worse than the j-dubs.
they are pretty effed up, but at least they don't try to hide behind the bible.. anyone?.
Better or Worse?
It's a bit like asking who's sh*t smells the worst, yours or mine?
Answer is it doesn't really matter they both still stink of sh*t.
Paul
dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide now found in every river, lake, and ocean on the planet.
it was only a matter of time.. http://www.dhmo.org/.
I went diving on Sunday and was surrounded by the stuff!
Paul
to be honest - i've never loved anyone - i'm talking about the romatic type here.
i have liked & been attracted to people....but love, nope.
i have no idea how to identify it.. looking at people in "so called" love today can be a bit deceptive, as what i have seen and still see to a great extent is 2 people .
Looking at people in "so called" love today can be a bit deceptive, as what I have seen and still see to a great extent is 2 people
- changing who they are to suit what the other wants
- playing mind games
- just stuck in a habit of being with someone for the sake of it
- looking to someone else to complete them
- asking a partner to prove their love by some or other action.
Now I'm not prepared to do any other the above.
Any one who acts on those ways may not be in love. The misconception many have of love in my view is that it will last forever. It does in some cases but in my experience it is possible to fall out of love too. Maybe those who act like above have fallen out of love.
When you love someone you just know it. But then you have to work on it if you want to keep it. If you don't then eventually you will fall out of love.
That's just my opinion anyway.
Paul
serving loyally with gods theocratic organization .
r. clark (new york special assembly-day final talk) .
sorry if my notes are not that great, i recorded talk and tried to write down as best as possible.
AAAhhh... i never noticed the JWD bit. That's down to me speed reading all the time. Thanks Bonafide!
Paul
serving loyally with gods theocratic organization .
r. clark (new york special assembly-day final talk) .
sorry if my notes are not that great, i recorded talk and tried to write down as best as possible.
I do not know which part of the talk you have a problem with yourself if not all of it.
But for me what it's home is loyalty to the organisation. Witnesses are told to be loyal even though mistakes are made by the organisation. I post a thread a couple of days ago i do not know if you saw it? Fred Franz and a lawyer representing the WT society in a Scottish court are quoted as saying that unity comes before truth, even when the organisation has been found to false prophesy.
Here's the transcript Watchtower admits false prophesy in Court of Law!
Paul
there are so many reasons why i liked being a jehovahs's witness.
1. we got to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.
2. we didn't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.
There are so many reasons why I liked being a Jehovahs's Witness.
1. We got to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.
2. We didn't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.
3. We got to celebrate the birth of a child but not the anniversary of the birth.
4. We didn't pass a collection plate at our meetings, but we got to put in our wills that when we die that our house, CD's, jewelery, life insurance, and cash can go the the Watchtower Society so that our family didn't have to worry about those things.
5. We didn't have to be with our families during the holidays to enjoy each other company and eat the cookies, turkey, ham, pies, and other such food.
6. Because we were the only true Christians on earth, we did not have the problems that other churches have with broken up families, adultery, fornication, pedophiles, over drinking, and gossip.
7. We didn't have to worry about giving the poor and needy in our community food, clothing and shelter because we gave them the Truth which would enable them to live forever in a paradise earth.
8. We had God speaking to us thru the Faithful and Discreet Slave and thru the Watchtower.
9. We looked forward to a life in Paradise where there would be no cars, TV's, computors, radio's, theaters, washing machines, clothes dryers, refrigerators, stoves, airplanes. electric lights, or malls to buy or clothes.
10. We got to go every year to a summer District Assemly vacation at the same city every year and have a picnic at our seats during the sessions and then stay at the fine hotels that we were told to go to.
11. We knew the true meaning of the words soon, near, very soon, very near, so close, just around the corner, shortly, and near future.
12. We didn't have to worry about getting old or having a retirement plan.
Now I hope you can begin to understand why I liked being a Jehovah's Witness.
Paul
hello my name is jackie i'm from uk from the north area.
are there anymore of you out there that live near me?
i left the org over 20 years ago but still feel i had such wasted years in it and lost my youth.
Hi Jackie
Welcome to the board. I'm from the Midlands so i guess i'm a bit close but depends where about in the North you're from ?
Paul