John 17:6 "I have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world. thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word."
On'-om-ah
Onoma : A "NAME" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name
what does each belive Jesus is saying here is it that;
A) he gave them the name of God as in the name YHWH /YahWeh / Jehovah
B) he gave them the character of God with his example.
I'm not sure but i would think the Jw's use this to show that Jesus in fact revealed the name ( Jehovah ) to the disciples for use. however this would seem to contradict the fact that we dont find the name in the New Testament ( depending on the sourced bible )
all the best
Ade
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16did Jesus give the name of God ???
by Ade injohn 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.
thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.
onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .
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OOPS WE MISSED ONE AGAIN - childrens bible
by Ade inno its not a britney spears song lol .
not sure if anyone has noticed this in the "my book of bible stories" .
paragraph two of the story reads so "when the men got to jerusalem, they asked; where is the child to be king of the jews?
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ahh i see so again they translate the same word "do obeisance" in one place, and "worship" in another.
very convincing lol
all the best
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OOPS WE MISSED ONE AGAIN - childrens bible
by Ade inno its not a britney spears song lol .
not sure if anyone has noticed this in the "my book of bible stories" .
paragraph two of the story reads so "when the men got to jerusalem, they asked; where is the child to be king of the jews?
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No its not a Britney Spears song lol
not sure if anyone has noticed this in the "my book of bible stories"
Go to story 86 "men guided by a star"
paragraph two of the story reads so "When the men got to Jerusalem, they asked; where is the child to be king of the Jews? "Jews" is another name for Israelites."We first saw the childs star when we were in the East," the men Said "and we have come to WORSHIP him"
oops did they mean "do obeisance to him" how naughty to miss that one.
God bless you all
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How many commands should we follow??
by Ade inas a jw i was always taught "you must go on the ministry" ( taught as a "command" of jesus to be applied to everyone - or you wouldnt be doing gods will and therefore he could not be pleased with you ) and many other things, "do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together etc" as an example you must get to the meetings or you are inactive in gods eyes.
however after reading jesus words basically saying accept jesus as gods son and love your neighbour, i began wondering more and more whether the ministry is a necessity for many people.
i personally never minded the ministry except when i found i was spreading mans deception and lies.
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Hi,
Yes I like to live by that, but not commanded by it, you follow what I;m saying?
You seem to nullify your own thoughts here because Jesus was stating here that you should love God and your neighbour saying these were the greatest commands, YOU are NOT being commanded this because along with these commands was given free will to follow or not to follow God, therefore you are putting forth an invalid argument. You cannot be commanded if you do not have to be commanded, Christ is not holding you captive to commands, you hold yourself captive to the commands if you love him and God.
Therefore if you like to live by the commands what is the difference, you obviously agree with the command my friend.
all the best
No disrespect intended
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Do JW'S need James 1:5
by Ade ini was reading james a minute ago and wondered whether this verse is needed for the average jw's, after all how can they be lacking in wisdom when gods anointed are leading them ??
i know this probably seems harsh but hopefully you can grasp what i mean, when you have all the "so called" knowledge of god and interpreting the scriptures why would any of them need to ask god for wisdom that he's already given them ??
maybe i'm having an unreasonable moment here folks.
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Hi Berean2 and Gold Morning,
Thank you for the agreement in certain aspects,its nice you have come along with an open mind Berean2, after all so long in the "truth" and then leaving often leaves a bitter taste in the mouth and a willingness to put forth hatred towards it in all respects.This is definatley not my purpose, as you say there are genuine people therein who wish only to serve God.As stated by yourself these people believe their "works" will bring favour/salvation from God.We are clearly taught God shares equally amongst all good and bad and to believe we are more acceptable to God at this time for any works, would in my mind be accusing God of favouritsm ( something we are warned against ), in essence God needs no "Help" from us. The light shone its brightest upon Jesus arrival, and then sacrifice, we have been given all we need within the bible to add to this saying we have a "special knowledge" is great presumptuousness.
concerning mans religions i believe, they, all being the product of Man believing they cannot attain Gods blessings without being formally organized in a "religion" however thats another discussion that has been covered but stimulating conversation and viewpoints always come of it.
Gold Morning, many thanks for your comment
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Do JW'S need James 1:5
by Ade ini was reading james a minute ago and wondered whether this verse is needed for the average jw's, after all how can they be lacking in wisdom when gods anointed are leading them ??
i know this probably seems harsh but hopefully you can grasp what i mean, when you have all the "so called" knowledge of god and interpreting the scriptures why would any of them need to ask god for wisdom that he's already given them ??
maybe i'm having an unreasonable moment here folks.
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Ade
Hi,
Berean 2 and welcome ,
Yes the mark of wisdom is classed as application of knowledge, which again raises the question from our point of view, if indeed they have the God given knowledge and are the "truth" then the application of knowledge - wisdom should be an obvious and natural proggresion as they have "God given wisdom" so essentially R&F are as guilty as GB / FDS.
because of the stance on following the FDS/GB concerning the infalibility of their teachings ( even though they wont admit it ) the R&F become as guilty for then they are being led "hither and tither by the doctrines of men" without using the intellect God gave them to discern truth from falsehood
from my standpoint all remain guilty , of deception or ignorance, neither trait will be tolerated by Jesus Christ
All the best
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How many commands should we follow??
by Ade inas a jw i was always taught "you must go on the ministry" ( taught as a "command" of jesus to be applied to everyone - or you wouldnt be doing gods will and therefore he could not be pleased with you ) and many other things, "do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together etc" as an example you must get to the meetings or you are inactive in gods eyes.
however after reading jesus words basically saying accept jesus as gods son and love your neighbour, i began wondering more and more whether the ministry is a necessity for many people.
i personally never minded the ministry except when i found i was spreading mans deception and lies.
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Ade
As a jw i was always taught "you must go on the ministry" ( taught as a "command" of Jesus to be applied to everyone - or you wouldnt be doing Gods will and therefore He could not be pleased with you ) and many other things, "do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together etc" as an example you must get to the meetings or you are inactive in Gods eyes.
However after reading Jesus words basically saying accept Jesus as Gods son and love your neighbour, i began wondering more and more whether the ministry is a necessity for many people. I Personally never minded the ministry except when i found i was spreading mans deception and lies.
1 John 3:23 states "Now this is his command; That we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another as he commanded us.24 the one who keeps His commands remains in him. And He in him.And the way we know that He remains in us is from the spirit He has given us.
These small scriptures seem to completely destroy the Jw's theory of what good works are, and what is needed to remain in Christ Jesus.
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Do JW'S need James 1:5
by Ade ini was reading james a minute ago and wondered whether this verse is needed for the average jw's, after all how can they be lacking in wisdom when gods anointed are leading them ??
i know this probably seems harsh but hopefully you can grasp what i mean, when you have all the "so called" knowledge of god and interpreting the scriptures why would any of them need to ask god for wisdom that he's already given them ??
maybe i'm having an unreasonable moment here folks.
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James 1:5 So, if any one of YOU is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.
I was reading James a minute ago and wondered whether this verse is needed for the average JW's, After all how can they be lacking in wisdom when Gods anointed are leading them ??
I know this probably seems harsh but hopefully you can grasp what i mean, when you have all the "so called" knowledge of God and interpreting the scriptures why would any of them need to ask God for wisdom that he's already given them ??
Maybe i'm having an unreasonable moment here folks.
All the best
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Is It true what they say about you?
by OUTLAW inyour all apostates!..every last,god forsaken,one of you..you`ve left jehovah..thats why your all,so unhappy!
!...outlaw
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Jw's can never be happy - Reason: No matter how much they do they can never feel acceptable to God, never quite feel like their doing enough.Did God want them to feel like this , I doubt it. But what a great way for the brainwashing from the top to continue along its path !!!!!!!!!!!
Hence the amount of depressed brothers and sisters.
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The GB, jehovah and correcting grevious errors
by greendawn inwhat do you think about the doctrine of the gb which maintains that it is no one's business to meddle in the way they run god's org (in fact their org) because god himself will put things right in his due time?.
isn't that a disgusting excuse to let them carry on abusing the r&f with false knowledge?
just think of it there are many errors many r&f are pointing them out and god is sitting there mysteriously ignoring the errors and as if by a whim he will at some time later decide to direct the gb to correct these errors.
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Hi Drew,
you wrote:And this is the biggest point to take from their religion. They follow a pre-christian example of what it means for follow God, so they must follow men. Their religion has allways been about following a particuliar individual or group of individuals exercising authority from one source. The JW dosn't know how to serve God without a human authority over them.
Exactly, upon questioning one brother as to why the bible states nowhere that we need to be members of a cult/religion to be acceptable to God, but Jesus said just have faith in him and be saved, along with loving your neighbour and God,the brother replied to me , "There's no way it can be that simple - it just cant be ". I could tell he wasnt going to listen, as they feel without all the complexity added to their worship it cant be acceptable.
The laws were removed by Jesus, they were the complex part of following God , to point out to Israel that God was needed that they were not righteous, To show the imperfections of men. The JW'S are still trying to live by these laws and others laid down by men. It's a disturbing situation that they are allowing men to overide what Jesus did for them.
All the best
God bless you all
Ade