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  A big thanks to all you good good people

  by aboveusonlysky in

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  "when the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies" jefferson airplane.

  until that is you find websites like this!

  i want to say a big thank you to all of you for everything i've learned here, as well as jwfacts, jwsurvey, coc, isocf etc.. i'm a born in and i spent more than two decades of my adult life in full time 'service' for the (b)org.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome!

  I am glad you found us and woke up.

  Lisa🌹
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  Awake no.3 praises Dr. Semmelweiss for discovering disease-causing germs

  by Anders Andersen in

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  in awake!

  3 2016, an article on dr. semmelweis states:.

  semmelweis was eventually recognized as one of the fathers of the modern antiseptic technique.

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  LisaRose

  Lots of JWs are taken in by medical quackery because it requires the same kind of thinking , so it's not surprising that the Watchtower published nonsense like this, just like they didn't believe in vaccines at one point and still do not accept blood transfusions.

  The Watchtower teaches that mainstream religions are corrupt and that religious leaders are lying to you and keeping you from a better religion. They look down on any religious education, don't have trained clergy and believe only they have the answers.

  Many who promote fringe alternative medicine believe mainstream medical is corrupt and that doctors and big pharmaceutical are deliberately lying to keep you sick and prevent you from finding better therapies. They look down on medical research, consult untrained or poorly practitioners who say they have all the answers.

  In both cases there may be a kernel of truth to some of their thinking (big pharmaceutical does sometimes put profit ahead of patients, some religious leaders are corrupt) but they blow the issues out of proportion and blindly accept the alternative without questioning. In both cases people are fooled because they lack critical thinking skills, they accept these ideas because they intuitively feel right to them and they don't stop to question the faulty logic.
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  Waking up - introduction

  by Dreamerdude in

  1. jw
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  i am a male, born into the jw cult(ure), baptized as a teen, now mid fifties.

  most of my life i dreamed of hugging pandas and lions, punctuated at times by nightmares of armageddon or jw drama and politics.

  still going through the motions for still-in wife.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome dreamer dude.

  Good to hear the tight pants Tony rant woke you up, there was a lot of speculation at the time that it would have that effect.

  Good luck on waking your wife, it is possible, though no easy thing.

  Lisa 🌹
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  Would we exist if Adam and Eve didn't sin?

  by truth doubter in

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  my son asked me 40 years ago.

  should we be glad adam sinned?

  because if he hadn't, we would not be the person we are.. any opinions?

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  LisaRose

  There are a million variables that resulted in each of us becoming who we are, change any of them and you wouldn't be you, you might not exist at all, we are all just accidents really. There is even a term for the idea that minor changes can result in a chain of events that can cause big impacts, the Butterfly Effect.

  I don't believe in Adam and Eve, but by mapping the human genome we know that humans carry some Neanderthal DNA. We may all have increased immunity from the Neanderthals, but also may have inherited some genetic defects. So the question could be, what would we be like if we had no Neanderthal DNA? Would we be better off or worse off? Maybe if we didn't have that Neanderthal DNA the Spanish Influenza of 1918 would have wiped out the entire population of the earth, not just a good chunk of it.

  Impossible to say, but interesting to think about.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Everyone is Equal in God's Loving Organization

  by new boy in

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  they said we are all the same in god’s eyes.

  that everyone is equal.

  to prove this they call everyone “brother and sister.” sadly, this really isn’t the case.

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  LisaRose

  I remember arriving early to the memorial only to be told that I could not park in the lot, they were "saving it for new people and visitors". It was puzzling because it was a really big lot, how many visitors could there be? I was by myself and had to walk in the dark back to my car afrerwards carrying a sleeping toddler, I slipped and fell, hurting my knee. I noticed as I was leaving that many elders had parked in the lot.

  I guess some people are more equal than others.
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  Trump or Contested Convention?

  by Coded Logic in

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  for those of us who are hillary and bernie fans, which is the better outcome - to have donald trump as the republican's nomination whose unpopular with most americans?

  or are we better off watching the chaos of a contested convention and the party eventually putting up someone weak like john kasic or jeb bush?

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  I think Hilary is more likely to win against Trump, but I believe she will win against Cruz also and I think a Republican contested convention would be vastly entertaining, so I am kind of hoping for that. I just have this mental picture of Donald having a meltdown, laying on the floor with his shellac blond pouf and orange face, kicking and pounding his fists and screaming how unfair everyone is being.
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  Armageddon comes and you have 5 minutes with Jesus

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the big a comes, your third in line to be judged by jesus.

  he wants to know why you left the organisation.

  he also wants to know why jws remained with the org.

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  LisaRose

  I would say that they lied about their history, predicted the end of the world several times in error and covered up child sex abuse, therefore I could not in good conscience be a part of it.
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  a unique situation

  by stuckinthemiddle in

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  i think i have a unique involvement with jws.

  i'm not a baptized member.

  my mother has been devout for over 20 years.

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  LisaRose

  All religions have some crazy people in them, but I truly think the JWs are worse than most. It's an extreme religion, and it doesn't seem to bring out the best in people. If you join it will only get worse for you because you will be in a group of people like that. There are much better religions out there if you feel you must belong to a religion. It sounds like you have good values in your own.

  His parents sound like loons, how sad for you all. Limit your association with them set firm boundaries and stick to them.
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  Is Larry Graham an Elder?

  by ShirleyW in

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  i think he is, but i"m not too sure.

  just wondering because looking at that purple pimp outfit with hat that he wore to prince's memorial, i wonder if he ever gave a talk wearing the same outfit, when i've read here that some brothers were talked to for wearing a pastel colored shirt while giving a talk..

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  LisaRose

  I heard him give a talk once, but that was a long time ago, but he was an elder back then.
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  28 years

  by PLAYGROUND in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  earlier i posted about my loveless marriage.

  i was baptized at a very young age, and during that time period i was having sex.yes i made a dedication knowing i was still practicing fornication.

  i had raging hormones since my youth.

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  LisaRose

  The problem is not with you, but with a backwards religion that would not allow you to be who you are. Think about this, would a God of love create you with a sex drive that could not be satisfied by a woman, then expect you to only marry a woman? Why would he do that? Why would you be expected to bear a burden that heterosexual people do not have to bear? You know this is not some choice you made, because why would you choose to be gay as a JW? This is not some weakness, it's just who you are, you didn't choose it any more than you chose the color of your eyes. You know in your heart of hearts that this is true, so allow yourself to accept it and what it means that any religion that would tell you different.

  For your own sanity please research the Watchtower, there are many things they have lied about, history they have covered up. They are not what they claim, never were and couldn't be God's sole channel of communication with mankind. Free yourself and stop living with the guilt.

  I am not gay, but I stayed for twenty eight years in a horrible marriage, because like you I thought I had to do it to please God. I became severely depressed and ruined my health trying to please that very demanding God. It was for nothing, I finally realized that I put this burden on myself, that the Watchtower was just some men who thought they spoke for God but they were no more right than any other religion, less maybe. Just like that I was free, I walked away and have never been happier. I am married to my soul mate and the love of my life. You could have that too.

  If you still want to belong to a church I suggest United Church of Christ, they are fully accepting of gay people. They have no doctrine, so you don't have to believe in trinity or hell fire if that is important to you. They usually have really great music too.