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  Stephen Lett admits income/expenditure shortfall as he reminds Witnesses to donate “valuable things”

  by defender of truth in

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  it's well worth taking a look at the article, it will only take you a few minutes.

  but i would particularly like to highlight this part: .

  if you are going to divulge a shortfall in funds, particularly with the aim of leveraging more donations (or valuable things) from a pool of supporters who are already lagging in this regard, the least you can do is treat them like adults and give some hard numbers.

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  LisaRose

  When I was bamboozled into joining this religion they were very proud of the fact that they did not pass a plate for donations and did not ask for pledges, for "God loves a cheerful giver" They also denounced other churches for doing so. At least with churches there is some accountability, while who knows where the money goes with these clowns?

  Shaking down the congregations for every available dollar, bait and switch with disaster relief, sleight of hand with convention funds, they are starting to make televangelists look like amateurs by comparison. I think people are catching on and voting with their pocketbook. It's a losing game, they more they attempt to squeeze out donations the more people get turned off and find other uses for their hard earned cash. The logical next step is to have "New light" on donations and start tracking who gives and who doesn't.
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  GB’s spring cleaning helps faders

  by wheelwithinwheel in

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  the gbs 2015 doctrinal spring cleaning is a gift to all faders.

  when we were fading they were grappling with the dying generation.

  their ensuing explanations made our diminishing meeting attendance and service easily explainable.

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  LisaRose

  The way you guys talk make it sound like life under communism. Big brother is watching you, anyone can become suspect, retribution is swift and terrible. I can't imagine what a toll it takes to live like that.

  I faded while not realizing I was doing so. I was simply considered weak, a sister with a disfellowshipped husband, so I didn't much count anyway, I had been inactive for a few years, then I moved out of state.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  LisaRose

  What would you guys do if you didn't have Perry? He raises the typical weak arguments of the average believer and sets you up to look like geniuses by comparison. Are you sure he isn't othe alter ego of one of you?
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  Prayer with my son before lunch. Your advice / experiences needed!

  by Daniel1555 in

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  dear friends,.

  i would like to hear your comments or suggestions on the following:.

  a little background info.. i managed to fade completely.

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  LisaRose

  I fondly remember my (cat hating) elder father-in-law saying prayer before dinner at my house back in the day. My cat, a total revenge pooping malcontent, clawed him in the nether regions right in the middle of the thing. He calmly grabbed him by the scruff, threw him out the door and finished the prayer.

  Probably not what you were looking for, but you did say you wanted experiences.
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  How low can they go?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how low can they go?.

  if i remember correctly, this is the lowest number of gb members the wt has had since the gb arrangement started.

  they dont seem to be in any hurry to appoint any new gb members.

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  LisaRose

  Possibly they don't have any qualified potential candidates, and by qualified I mean being willing to go along with the hypocrisy, lies and shaking down the rank and file for any every dollar they can get.
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  Am I the only "witness here besides the admins?

  by TheOnlyRealWittnessHere in

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  with all the negativity here i was wondering if i am the only one here that's a witness.

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  the topic pretty much says everything..

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  LisaRose

  In response to the onlytruewitness, no you are not the only witness here, but you may be the only one who still believe the governing body is the faithful and discrete slave and God's sole channel of communication with mankind.

  As for me, I was a JW for thirty years, but realized the Watchtower was no different from any other religion that presumed to speak for God. My question to you is this: Why do you believe the predictions of an organization that has a 100% failure rate on date predictions? 1897, 1914, 1925, 1975 and other dates have been wrongly predicted to be the end by the Watchtower, so why do you believe them now?
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  Are J.W's obsesed with their statis??

  by karter in

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  i went to a j.w funeral and saw some people i used to hang out with many years ago and they all seemed to want to tell me if they or any member of their family were elders,m.s's,pioneers ect.. karter..

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  LisaRose

  Do you mean status?

  Matthew 6

  “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...

  
  

  
  
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  OMG once and for all, whats this idea of a three fold prophesy??

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.

  she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.

  i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.

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  LisaRose

  I find that you can't tell a JW anything, they think they are right and everyone else is wrong and logic means nothing. Next time ask her to explain the three fold prophecy. I doubt she will be able to, and if she does, don't point out the obvious logical fallacies, just say you don't understand xyz, ask her to explain further. The average JW has only a cursory understanding of their beliefs and once you get past that they are lost.

  But you still won't get anywhere, she will probably just shut down and get mad at you.

  I suggest talking about the weather.
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  Coping With Atheism (Long-ish Post...sorry!)

  by humblepotato in

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  2. friends

  long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.

  first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.

  all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.

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  LisaRose

  All you have, all anyone has, even JWs, is this moment you are in right now. That's it. Yesterday is gone, tomorrow may never be no matter what you believe. Make this moment in your life count, and everyone after that and at the end of your life it will be enough, because you didn't waste them.

  Or would you rather put off all your hopes, plans and dreams on the fantasy of petting pandas? That's is not going to happen, so pretending won't make it so.
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  Witnesses Preach to Dog

  by snugglebunny in

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  "in el salvador, one man tied his vicious dog in front of the door whenever he saw jehovahs witnesses nearby.

  the man would wait for the witnesses to move on, and then he would bring the dog back into the house.

  the brothers were never able to speak to the man.

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  LisaRose

  I love those JW urban legends. It probably was originally a born again Christian tall tale. You never read these things in the Watchtower, only word of mouth or at the conventions which is a pretty good indication they are pure BS.

  See also: the thief who hid under the bed who heard a bible reading and later converted, and the maniac who didn't kill the JW because he saw two big men standing next to her even though she was alone.