i have a son who will be 20 in may.
he's, by all accounts, what you would consider the.
"perfect child.
I was your son at 20, passed up opportunities at the time that would have changed the course of my life. I had just changed jobs and "didn't want to be unfair" to the new boss. It's just the way an inexperienced, young person thinks...making it about personal loyalty to somebody else rather than designing/creating your own life. It was a huge mistake.
What Nugget said. Good luck.
yes this is the new realization i have just had.. i recently went to a family event which happened to have several witnesses, none of whom i knew, thankfully.. "oh so you're ****'s and ****'s other child, (the evil son that went astray) nice to finally meet you".
anyway my dad comments to me saying that there are allot of nice single girls in the truth.
then he asks me if i've met any nice girls lately.. "well, no dad, it's quite hard to meet new people once... you know...you leave the org.
@Pig: Born in here. I went through the same feelings as you expressed. Had a lot of anger. Your dad is right in a sense, nobody does anything to intentionally hurt themselves or their kids/family. They do think they are doing the right thing. Why their powers of reason stop is beyond me.
wha and I were discussing this the other night, and he said it is the carrot...the Utopia, the tiger and swiss chalet for everybody...people want it and it overrides their BS monitor. I think that is right. I think JW's today inspite of their gut feelings of how wrong it all is, just want it to be true; they they will win the prize for their efforts for all these years...no matter how irrational the reality of it is. Amazing.
My advice is do what
the above title was the immediate response of a hyperloyal sister to the news that the mags were going to 16 pages.
i truly wonder if this move opens the door to the practical end of the "preaching work".
they could move everything to the internet, get rid of yearly statistics and pretend that things are growing.
IMHO, even when I left 10 years ago, most did not read the mags. My elderly mom did, and there is a percentage that will, but not most. Some will be thrilled (my mom...me rolls eyes...I watch PBS) with the information regarding the edible insects, but most won't even know it there.
In the end I thought using a tract was the best thing ever in D2D work. People were exasperated when they opened the door, and just taking a simple tract with a simple theme was little investment to them and they were relieved. I had a better time in service using those. I thought if they did one four page tract a month, it could get their message across, the pub wouldn't be jumping around trying to figure out what to talk about every other week, and of course, less cost and waste.
But then I remember. It's a publishing corporation. It needs to print. Although, it now is becoming a building/remodeling contractor/loan shark corporation.
how many of you feel that being a jw is like being in an abusive relationship?
what do you think are the similarities?
the differences?
Yes, I do. It was the straw really. Aside from all the stuff that you know is crap, just one day during a typical, demeaning WT study accompanied with typical arrogant comments I just snapped and never went back. I told people when I left that no matter what anyone does, they are always swimming upstream against the current, with faults and weaknesses constantly pointed out to them...it just wears a person down until they feel so unworthy...or "undeserving". lol.
A former elder friend used to refer to the "needs" talk in the service meeting as "spanking the congregation."
It is absolutely abusive when a person is not allowed to grow to be best of themselves.
00DAD, well said.
i have a question for my canadian friends here.
i go there often, and i see a tim hortons on pretty much every street, like mcdonalds is down here.
i've gone in to see what the fuss was all about, and all i saw were donuts and pastries i can find in every grocery store or gas station back home.
Fond Tim Horton's memory.
At the 2007 Toronto Apostafest blowout, I met a cab driver that took me from the hotel to the restaurant. He was interested in the fest and told me if I needed anything, a ride or whatever, (he was aware I was meeting everybody for the first time and traveling alone), to call him and gave me his card. I told him I was leaving the next morning and needed a ride to the airport at an ungodly hour. We set up the appointment for him to pick me up.
When he came the next morning, he had stopped by Tim Horton's and bought us both coffees and a donut, his treat. I never heard of Tim Horton's, but as we drove through the city all of a sudden I saw them EVERYWHERE! lol. He was an interesting guy, a professional mercenary for several countries in a few wars, retired and asked where he wanted to live, he picked Toronto.
Love Toronto.
how much money would you commit to the apostate cause?
i think 10 million is fair....that is a lot of billboards and full time employees.
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Dammit.
how much money would you commit to the apostate cause?
i think 10 million is fair....that is a lot of billboards and full time employees.
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I didn't win?
i've been considering it for awhile strictly for just general overall health.
i don't take any meds, and would like to keep it that way for as long as i can.
i am a "all things in moderation " type of person but the more i read about excluding dairy and meat, the more i think about doing it.
Thanks I quit! for the suggestions. Talk to you soon. Continued success!! Ok wha...I'll be in touch. Thank you maksym...I'm going to see the movie, but I have to wait until I have my final cheeseburger...lol. I googled a bit when I could from work today some vegan websites, but I didn't have much time. Engine 2 didn't come up so I am thankful for the suggestion. Continued succcess to you also! zzzzz
i've been considering it for awhile strictly for just general overall health.
i don't take any meds, and would like to keep it that way for as long as i can.
i am a "all things in moderation " type of person but the more i read about excluding dairy and meat, the more i think about doing it.
@ Palm: You will?!! YIPPPPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
My "21 Day..." book is electronic....REALLY hard to read on my iPhone. I need to have recipes that I can make ahead to bring to work and for most my meals actualy, so I am on the lookout for such. Your quinoa salad was a perfect thing for me...I loved it. The only thing is I get hungry faster so I have to have snacks.
"Iquit" is going to give some suggestions. He said the Wynn has a vegan restaurant since the owner is now vegan. I have books around I need to round up...i've been thinking about this for some time. I have a great book called "Power Foods" which has recipes with the best foods for your health. I was making soup from it for weeks, but went off track I think when my niece moved in a year ago.
I am so happy you get to go home for awhile. One of these weekends I will come out to Vegas; it's one of my favorite things, got off track there as well. I'll message you on FB with my emails and phone #.
so to make a long story short, my family found out about my "apostacy"(i couldn't take it anymore) and now everything is all in shambles.
they still feel there is "hope" for me.
(ha!).
What Para said.
You cannot argue with faith. My personal experience is they will hold on even if the math and history doesn't work. So my tactic is to keep them curious about me, why I was so "in" and now so "out."
When my PO/COBE brother wanted to have "The Talk" a few years ago I told him that we really couldn't, could we. I told him he could say anything he wants because he is active and "goes to meeting." But me, whatever I say would be analyzed, discussed with others, and when asked about me, "well, she has a problem with 607/GB/time reporting/shunning...bad heart condition, rebellious, doesn't follow counsel" even when most will agree with what you say "off the record." He said, "I never thought of it that way" and did not have a rebuttal.
So I just tell everyone, "I was raised to search for truth. That hasn't changed."
Be careful. Good luck.
