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  The original sin

  by onacruse in

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  this is a question i've had for a long time.. according to the biblical account, adam and eve's sin was to eat fruit from the forbidden tree.. now, ordinarily, when we get caught doing something "wrong," we try to hide the "offending" member (the child tries to hide his hand that has the 'stolen' cookie; we hurriedly try to pull our pants back on when mom walks in unexpectedly while we're masturbating, etc.)..

  so, if the "sin" of adam and eve was eating a forbidden fruit, then why wasn't their first impulse to hide their hands?

  or to wipe off their mouths?

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  agapa37

  onacruse,

  Just from reading that account from the Bible and only the Bible, the original sin did not have anything to do with their sexual organs. As stated by the Bible in Genesis the 3rd chapter the original sin was an act of disobedience. Eating from that one specific tree was off limits.

  So, if the "sin" of Adam and Eve was eating a forbidden fruit, then why wasn't their first impulse to hide their hands? or to wipe off their mouths?

  That question is besides the factual point. There is no "IF" when it comes to the original sin. It is very clear within that account that it "WAS" the sin. We cannot be sure why they didn't hide their hands or wipe off their mouths, unless you mean that in the sense that God "caught" them in the act, like someone would catch a little kids hand in a cookie jar and he quickly pulls it out and hides his hands behind his back. If that is how you mean it, which is how you are putting it,

  "Now, ordinarily, when we get caught doing something "wrong," we try to hide the "offending" member (the child tries to hide his hand that has the 'stolen' cookie; we hurriedly try to pull our pants back on when Mom walks in unexpectedly while we're masturbating, etc.).

  then there is an answer for it. The Bible says that God did not catch them in the act, it wasn't until later on after the act, when God confronted them about it. So there is your answer! It is quit easily seen when you read it.
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  ELDERS DEFECTING TO OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS

  by badboy in

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  i understand that a jw elder in western australia defected to the sda.. have there been other cases of elfers defecting to other religious groups.

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  agapa37

  Confession,

  I must disagree with your statement: So in his moving his association from one human group to another, this did not mean he defected from one God to another.

  It is a fact that most Religions worship Jesus as God. The JWS do not. So most likely the Church he defected to does not worship Jehovah as God like he once did.
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  ELDERS DEFECTING TO OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS

  by badboy in

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  i understand that a jw elder in western australia defected to the sda.. have there been other cases of elfers defecting to other religious groups.

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  agapa37

  I was an Elder and subsequently left and started going to other churches. Does that make me a "defector" any more than someone who left and didn't go??

  Yes little toe it does. According to dictionary definition. Defector- "a person who defects from a cause, country, alliance, a person who abandons their duty " You as well as anyone else has the right (FREE WILL) to do as they please. Jehovah doesn't FORCE anyone to love him!
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  what is kool aid?

  by dobbie in

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  isee this mentioned alot here but haven't a clue what it is?

  !can somebody put me out of my misery please?i keep thinking of plasters but that's band aid!thanks.

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  agapa37

  You don't know what kool aid is? Well it comes in may different delicious flavors, my favorite is cherry. You get a jug and fill it with 2 quarts of water and put a cup of sugar in it and mix a packet of flavored kool aid and WALAH! Kool aid!
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  There are JWs happy to be in that org

  by greendawn in

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  we on this forum were all more or less unhappy with the wts for one reason or other and inevitably we left that religion which we consider to be in fact a cult.

  we can't understand or imagine how anyone could be happy living in that negative environment yet there seem to be quite a few dubs that are happy and content being jws.

  apart from the obvious ones eg those that have some status which gives them a sense of importance why do others feel happy being there?

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  agapa37

  I know many happy JWS. The main reason why they are happy despite the badness that abounds within Jehovahs Organization is because they follow the example of Josiah and ones like him. You see, Josiah lived in very turbulent times within Gods organized people, Isreal. He took the throne I believe at the age of eight! Well, if anyone knows the story, Josiahs task was not an easy one. Yes, he was King of Gods people, his Organized group of worshipers, Isreal. Things were not all HUGS AND KISSES within the Organizattion. If you read up on it, there were many problems, I can say that it was worse back then, then it is now, IMAGINE THAT!

  What kind of problems were there you ask? Good question Hypocracy, liars, murderers, fornicators, false servants, CONSPIRACY, IDOLATRY and any other wickedness you can imagine. They had HIGH places spread throughout the land sacrificing to false gods. I would say, that is enough to bring a FAITHFUL servant of God down back in those days. If someone were to give up serving Jehovah, those conditions were ripe for it. Not josiah! Why? Because it is recorded that he didn't follow in the footsteps of those people back then. He followed in the foot steps of his fore father David. He DID what was right in Jehovahs eyes despite all the hypocrites around him. He didn't allow all the hypocracy and negativity get to him. He clung to people who were DOING WHAT WAS RIGHT IN JEHOVAHS EYES and to God Himself and persevered.

  It is NO DIFFERENT today. We are encouraged to put up a fine fight for the faith. Those words let us know that it won't be easy! So I guess my answer to your question would be............why do others feel happy being there?Because they are doing what is right in Jehovahs eyes just like Josiah!
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  After all those years at the meetings, are they learning anything new?

  by JH in

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  it doesn't take long to know every jw belief.

  maybe after a few months, you know all that there is to know.. then, every meeting for the rest of your life will be only repitition.

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  Not really JH. At the meeting if you do not remember, they just don't study their doctrine. The WT lessons alot of the times deal with how to apply Bible princibles in our life. One can get something new out of each meeting if they are studious.
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  heaven/earth

  by GramblingMan in

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  ok someone help me out here, from reading 1corinthians 15:35-58. it appears that paul's letter is to the whole church.

  i draw the conclusion from this that the resurrected body is for everyone.

  well the jw that came by says that all of the church of corinthia was annointed so that's why they have a heavenly hope.

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  Gamblingman

  One cannot assume correct understanding of the Bible by drawing conclusions from just a verse. Rules for understanding the Bible are, first Pray to Jehovah for His Spirit to guide you, next, read in content, then read in context. An example would be John 10:30 which reads: "I and the Father are one." Jesus made that statement. If you were to read that scripture and draw a conclusion from it, one would come up with the incorrect understanding of that verse. One might conclude Jesus words as a claim to be God, but when you look at that scripture in CONTENT you would see otherwise. Furthermore, if you look at it in CONTEXT, you would find more clarification on what Jesus meant by that statement. (This is not intented for a trinity debate, but soley as a good example on Content and Context)
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  What do you tell your kids about God?

  by LovesDubs in

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  my 11 year old son who is an old soul, is a scientist in his heart and waxes philosophically about the universe and its beginnings when most kids his age are playing ps2.

  he does that too of course but he spends a great deal of time thinking.

  he got into the car the other day and was quiet for awhile and then he said "mom, would you be upset with me if i said i didnt believe there is a god?".

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  agapa37

  everyone has to decide for themselves what to believe or not believe. (Kid's too?)

  Kids, and I mean Kids not young adults should be trained to make the RIGHT decision from there parents. We cannot leave it up to kids to decide what is right for them, that is ridiculous! Parents are to Love and Guide their children. Tell them not to stick the fork into the electric socket (even though they decide for themselves that it would be fun) If we are trying to be Christians, (key words) Our Job BIBLICALLY is to train our Children in the mental regulating of Jehovah (GOD) We are to help them develope the mind of Christ.

  Now once we have done that through their child years and then they become an adult out on their own, THEN and ONLY then will the decision be theirs. Train first, then allow for own decision when old enough.
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  I RECEIVED AN EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN TRACT THROUGH LETTERBOX

  by badboy in

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  doesn't this put jws to shame because they haven't put a tract through my door,and their claim it is lifesaving work.

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  agapa37

  With all those hours spent why doesn't anybody really know what the jw's teach?

  From your own reply at least YOU know the Goodnews that they preach and I am going out on a limb here by saing that 90% of this board does as well. So you rebuttle is denied! The 90% here know what the Goodnews is preached by the JWS and they donot believe it, that is why they are here.
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  The original sin

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question i've had for a long time.. according to the biblical account, adam and eve's sin was to eat fruit from the forbidden tree.. now, ordinarily, when we get caught doing something "wrong," we try to hide the "offending" member (the child tries to hide his hand that has the 'stolen' cookie; we hurriedly try to pull our pants back on when mom walks in unexpectedly while we're masturbating, etc.)..

  so, if the "sin" of adam and eve was eating a forbidden fruit, then why wasn't their first impulse to hide their hands?

  or to wipe off their mouths?

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  agapa37

  Im sorry but this topic really is reaching. It makes no sense at all.