Posts by Santisimo

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PhD thesis: Does Yahweh exist?

by behemot in

i found this very interesting paper.

it's a phd thesis at the old testament science department of the pretoria university, titled "does yahweh exist?

a philosophical-critical reconstruction of the case against realism in old testament theology".. it offers a devils advocate's case against realism in old testament theology, in the form of the following seven arguments against the existence of yahweh:.

Santisimo

If you didn't create yourself, then you were created. If you were created there is a creator. This simple logic cannot be broken in any way.

Consider this, the simplest watch is made of several hundred parts. Take each of these parts, throw them in the air, let them hit the ground and start counting the days before they join to make a watch. How long do you think you'll be waiting?

If a watch can't make itself regardless of how many billions of years you wait, how is it possble that TRILLIONS of cells came together to form the MILLIONS of life forms we see today? Do you think this just happened?

Whether we want to deal with it or not, we were created and we have a creator to answer to, period.

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How Do You Read The Bible?

by Anitar in

i wanted to get your opinions on the bible, particularly the differences between the old and new testament.

now, i am not a biblical scholar, and i don't presume to possess more knowledge than anyone else, i would just like to hear what everyone else believes.

so, if you don't mind answering a few questions:.

Santisimo

The Hebrew scriptures as shown in the Torah are the only accurate and valid teachings of our Creator. Everything in the so-called New Testament is a fabrication and meaningless. If anything, it promotes idolatry by teaching that God NEEDED another being (Jesus) to help rescue the world. This is absurd. God does not NEED ANOTHER CREATION of his to rescue the world from sin.

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What the hell is the WTS saying about evolution now?

by Santisimo in

did anyone read the recent wts "special article" about creation and evolution?

i read it and fell of my freaking seat.

get this, the wts now believes (and yes, they want everyone to agree or else) that god created the universe billions of years ago and that nothing was created in six days as shown in genesis!.

Santisimo

Did anyone read the recent WTS "special article" about creation and evolution? I read it and fell of my freaking seat. Get this, the WTS now believes (and yes, they want everyone to agree or else) that God created the universe BILLIONS of years ago AND that NOTHING WAS CREATED IN SIX DAYS AS SHOWN IN GENESIS!

They spent about 5 pages explaining how the the Bible can agree with scientist theories that the earth is in fact, billions of years old. It's blasphemy of the highest order and now more than ever, I'm glad I left that foul, dirty religion.

Who are we to say that God COULD NOT create the universe in six days? Isn't so that God CREATED THE CONCEPT OF TIME? If this is the case, how can we limit him by saying that he could not have created everything we see (and don't see) in just a matter of days? Why then, would God ask the Israelites to observe the Sabbath if not for this reason?

God is all-powerful and without limit. Be sure that the days of the WTS are numbered.

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Strange picture In J W publication

by BluesBrother in

.this "new world scene " is from p 190 of the "bible teach " book dated 2005.. it is just a joke.

they have transformed their key belief into a cartoon type kiddies scene.

is there no thought of child safety?

Santisimo

Here's my question. Doesn't Jesus or the WTS say that there will be no MARRIAGE in paradise? Isn't it so that death ends marriage? So what if you died before Armageddon and your family is still alive? Who's gonna be walking along the beach in this scenario?

What if everyone in the family died? Is everyone going to be together at the beach as a family or what?

If I remember correctly, there isn't going to be any baby-making in paradise because it's supposed to take 1000 years to get things back into order (collapsed buildings take forever to clean up you know).

Are there any trolls here who can clarify this?

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Jews for Jesus VS. JWs - Which one is closer to the 'truth'?

by Santisimo in

here's my question, which organization do you think follows the teachings of christ more accurately, jews for jesus or the jws?.

after all, jesus did live and die as a jew not a christian.

james, the brother of jesus carried the congregation immediately after his brother's death and he too, lived and died as a jew (even though he was killed by other jews who considered him a blasphemer).

Santisimo

Here's my question, which organization do you think follows the teachings of Christ more accurately, Jews for Jesus or the JWs?

After all, Jesus DID live and die as a Jew not a Christian. James, the brother of Jesus carried the congregation immediately after his brother's death and he too, lived and died as a Jew (even though he was killed by other Jews who considered him a blasphemer).

It's not until we get to Paul that things change and the Jesus movement falls under the control of the gentiles.

Given all this, if the Jews for Jesus movement is following the Bible in the same manner as James, wouldn't that make them more worthy of the "true religion" title that the JWs claim to hold?

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Paul's "full gospel" did NOT mention 144,000...

by bebu in

from reflecting on what paul writes in his letters, it is obvious he had never taught anything like the wts doctrines concerning the little flock (144,000) or the slave class, or any other unique jw gospel concept.

yet he was clear that he was preaching the entire gospel everywhere.. i picked out the following verses (you can find more but these are the most obvious) to show that 1) paul said his authority for the gospel he preached was given by god; 2) that he preached the gospel fully; and that he condemned any person or angel who preached a different gospel.

have you ever noticed, then, that though paul clarified the gospel in all of his letters in a variety of ways, the odd doctrines of the jws/wts were never once mentioned by paul?

Santisimo

I agree, I went a little off-topic. I do agree with your statement. The WTS is adding alot of their own spin to what Paul wrote.

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Paul's "full gospel" did NOT mention 144,000...

by bebu in

from reflecting on what paul writes in his letters, it is obvious he had never taught anything like the wts doctrines concerning the little flock (144,000) or the slave class, or any other unique jw gospel concept.

yet he was clear that he was preaching the entire gospel everywhere.. i picked out the following verses (you can find more but these are the most obvious) to show that 1) paul said his authority for the gospel he preached was given by god; 2) that he preached the gospel fully; and that he condemned any person or angel who preached a different gospel.

have you ever noticed, then, that though paul clarified the gospel in all of his letters in a variety of ways, the odd doctrines of the jws/wts were never once mentioned by paul?

Santisimo

Paul NEVER met Jesus and therefore has no authority over anything. Paul converted to Christianity long after Jesus died. Paul created his own religion in the same way the JWs are creating their own today. Unfortunately, there will will always be millions of people who are willing to follow the path of the WTS because they are not capable of seeing for themselves what God REALLY wants from mankind. Paul "preached" to people who were less educated than he was. If he really did know what he was talking about there would have obtained a larger following. Instead, all he accomplished was the creation of a small cult. Had it not been for the murderous Constantine who hijacked Paul's religion, it would have remained unknown til this day.

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The JW do not believe in Deuteronomy 18:20-222

by headmath in

here is some rubbish from the awake magazine .

awake!

1993 march 22 pp.3-4 why so many false alarms?.

Santisimo

This text applies to Jesus more than anyone else. Much of what he said never happened. Jesus was sent to mankind as a test by God to see if he would remain loyal to the ONE creator. Mankind has obviously failed in this regard. God is ONE. There is no salvation outside of Him. He said it himself in that same book of Deuteronomy.

To say that God has, or needs a son to create the world is to place a limit on Him. God is a spiritual force. Spiritual beings cannot have children. Humans need children in order to continue the existence of the species. God does not need anyone to ensure his continuity.

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Who is Jesus? Is he God?

by BelieverInJesus in

i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.

Santisimo

Jesus is not God, or a Messiah for that matter. If he were God's annointed, the world would have been a much better place because of him, this is hardly the case. Furthermore, Jesus did not do anything that was written in prophecy about the Messiah. The few texts offered by JWs as proof are actually taken out of context.

The Christian view of Satan is also very flawed. Satan is a force created by God to ensure that we have freedom of choice in this world. Just as God created positive and negative particles, so he created positive (Angels) and negative (demons) forces to create balance in our world. Satan does not make humans kill or rape or steal. The Satan (as translated from Hebrew) or "The Evil Inclination" is merely a force that presents us the option of doing evil just as God gives us the chance to do good. Depending on OUR decision, so the results will be.

We will never know what it was like to live in a pure and just world. It is a concept we cannot comprehend because we only understand good AND evil. We will never understand how it was possible for Adam and Eve to walk naked in this world without shame, or for their children to find marriage partners from the same family because we have knowledge of both good and evil.

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Armageddon Imagery

by JimWood in

hey, can anyone get me a great armageddon image?

-- i seem to have lost my paradise brochure and i need one for a philosophy project tomorrow.

i know danny haszard usually drops the one into his posts, the one with the woman falling into the crevice, does anyone else have the ability to find or put it on here for my use?

Santisimo

After looking at those images you have to wonder if the JW God is like Allah, who also likes burning down buildings with people under them.

If Jehovah is this viscious, who the fuck needs Allah?