Posts by dungbeetle

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What does it change really.....

by flower in

i'm still me whether the org is a fraud or not.

its too late now to make myself into a different person.

a person is a result of their environment and the way they were brought up.

dungbeetle

you know, ((((flower))))there are some people in the world that dance and prance when they walk, and laugh and sing a lot. Then there are those that don't. God made a whole range of personalities, put them on this earth, and that's the way it is.

Some of us --perhaps you too--have a lower than average baseline mood. Personally, I don't prance and dance or laugh and sing a lot, never have and likely never will (well, maybe at the Siegfried and Roy show) so I'm at the lower end of the mood continuem. So are many people. We have our place in the world.

But I imagine if I was standing in front of you and choking, you would be the first one up to do the Heimlich (sp) maneuver. Just a feeling. The world is going to have to accept us as we are.

So there!!!

www.exmormon.org is a fabulous place. They are great people, and have been helpful to me.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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I gave a witness

by larc in

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sometimes when i want to get away from the heavy duty jw stuff, i go to an ohio and a michigan discussion board that is easily accessed through webtv.

most of the stuff is fluffy.

i brought up the stratton, ohio issue.

dungbeetle

Larc, if you get this soon, please go to chat

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Are you doubting?

by YoYoMama in

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james 1:5-8.

"so, if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking god, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.

but let him keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about.

dungbeetle

Do you have doubts that the elders are appointed by Holy Spirit--no wait! elected --no wait!, the governing body--no wait!, the CO's/DO's...

Do you doubt that black men are 'natural servants' --no wait! they will turn white--no wait! all are equal--No wait! all are equal up to the governing body...

Do you doubt that women are disfellowshipped for not screaming while being raped--no wait! yes--no Wait! not--no wait! yes --no wait!!not...

Do you doubt that Sodomites and Gomorrhites will be resurrected? Yes--no wait!! no--no wait!! yes--no wait!! no....

Do you doubt that blood is okay to take sometimes? No--no wait!! yes--no wait!! no--no wait!! yes--no wait!! no.....

Do you doubt that voting is okay? Yes--no wait!! No--no wait!! yes--no wait!! no.....

And on and on and on ...YoYo thank you for causing more damage to the JW's than any 'apostate' EVER could...rock on!!

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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The 1914 generation is back for 2002

by Skimmer in

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the 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.

some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.

i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.

dungbeetle

unfortunately, this is I believe is the only 'prophecy' that is still unfulfilled (meaning not having NOT come true) that the Watchtower shoved down the public's throats. They know it, too.

The 1914 generation would be in their nineties, and there are, according to the US Census Bureau, a couple of million of these still in the US. What the Watchtower will do when they are gone too...probably stay silent or lie some more.

As pointed out, the original prophecy was that THE END was coming in 1914....not Jesus' invisible coming. So it actually was a false prophecy untill they changed it, in 1935 I think.

What else is new....

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Ideas about how to find my brother.....?

by tyydyy in

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when i was 17 my older brother went to bethel.

our whole family was so proud that we had someone in high places.

lol well it didn't last long.

dungbeetle

There's one other thing you might try...a personal webpage. make sure it has his name, your name, and any other name he might recognize. (schools, clubs, hobby groups)

I was looking for a fan page for Siegfried and Roy. Couldn't find one through the usual search engines, which I thought was weird. Then I went directly to Homestead and Geocities and some others, did a search for their homepages and wammo---too many pages and groups and still wading through them all.

I would try a personal webpage through every homepage hoster there is. Maybe even a 10.00 a month page. If he isn't online, someone who knows him will be. You can do one page, and upload it over and over I think. If you are interested in that, there are some web developers here on this board that could direct you.

And be aware of kooks and cracks that might be attracted to this sort of thing.

If you are online, likely he or someone he knows is also. Lots of people do searches under their own name, just to see what's out there on them.

Best wishes...

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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The "Moses Trap"

by moman in

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upon talking to an old friend & (card carrying dub) awhile back,he unwittingly inserted a shoe into hiz gaping orafice.. .

although, this person & hiz family are straining under the heavy yolk of the borg, he insisted that the wt waz not a false prophet, but just made a mistake,az all humans do.

the example he cited waz the (old moses one), thus setting the trap on himself.

dungbeetle

There's another one JW's love to use---the account of David and the priest Nathan (I Chronicles chapt 17)Short version:

where David asked him.."should I build a house for the Ark?"

Nathan replies "Yes"

But later that night, God came to Nathan and told him to tell David not to build the house. Nathan did so. God continued to use him.

I was there for the Ministry School when an elder's wife I think it was put on this ridiculous charade.

1) As pointed out earlier in the thread, this is not 'prophecy.

2) There is evidence God used Nathan in the FIRST PLACE (not like the GB, no evidence of divine inspiration ANYWHERE EVER)

3) Nathan didn't claim that God told him to tell David to build the house. (didn't speak in god's name). The way the account is worded, it was personal opinion.

4) And the GB collectively claimed to BE prophets (JW's are already lying about this publicly) and then suddenly, since 1980 or so, stopped. BY their own admission, they are/were false prophets. Why did they claim it for 80 years and then stop?

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Silly question.......

by flower in

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i understand it but at the same time i dont understand it because i was born and raised a jw so i was always in their mindset.

but how does someone who comes from the world and joins the org justify going against every natural instict they have?

i mean its just unnatural to turn against your own flesh and blood.

dungbeetle

The biggest thing I think, is that they lie about their history. They were doing this as far back as the 1920's ALREADY.

An informed JW is an ex-JW...you know the drill.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Hi to all the Girl's and Boy's

by Nute in

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officially been out of the organization since 1990 .... i have e-mailed some of you already .... a very nice group of individuals i must say.

what does borg mean?

i did rattle some cages with the last post by silientlamb, but i guess that's what it is all about listening to both the good and the bad.

dungbeetle

Welcome to our home away from home!!!

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Any believers

by Latina in

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i have just joined this board.

hope you do not mind me joining as i am still a believer who has become inactive.

the opening page on here says "everyone is welcome" so hope you do not have to be a non-believer to be on here.. i am hoping to hear from others in same situation as me to try and exchange encouragement.. .

dungbeetle

The last time anyone took a wild guess, the board's makeup was estimated at:

1/4 Jehovah's Witnesses
1/4 non-Jehovah's Witnesses
1/2 ex-Jehovah's Witnesses

This is open to interpretation and subject to daily revision.

There are many open emails here, feel free to contact almost anyone with whom's posts you are comfortable. (including mine, I promise I don't bite!!)I am inactive, but still attend meetings/conventions blah blah (unless it rains)

I don't know what the term 'believer' refers to as there are many active Jehovah's Witnesses in positions of privileges/responsibility who do not observe all the latest or former 'new light' by the GB. (shunning, birthdays, internet for example) Perhaps you will consider just finding someone(s) who will listen to you non-judgementally and help you with your goals. There are more than a few like that here.

Welcome to the board!! Best wishes!!!

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Can anyone help me out here?

by HyTech in

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i was getting the kids ready for bed last night and i heard the doorbell ring.

it was about 7:30 and i had no idea who it could be.

i opened the door and 2 elders from our hall were standing there.

dungbeetle

something like 5000 Romanian (or some such country)had a judicial commitee on the Wathctower Bible and Tract Society, found them guilty of apsotasy, and disfellowshipped them. Just to be on the safe side, they changed THEIR names to the 'real jehovah's witnesses' or something like that.

I laughed so hard I almost cried, the first time I heard it. It seems they don't treat their women and children much better, I'm afraid, but it's a start.

* http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=13303&site=3#159338

* http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/index.html

Can't keep a good Romanian down...

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"