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  Time for Formal Introductions

  by LockedChaos in

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  hello to everyone here at jwd.

  i've been lurking about and tossing out a few .

  comments since i joined up a few weeks ago.

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  NanaR

  Welcome!!

  I sent you a pm ;-)

  Ruth
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  The Long Road To Forgiveness

  by BurnTheShips in

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  so many of us have suffered so much here in our experience with the watchtower cult and at the hands of others.

  this afternoon's segment of npr's this i believe reminds us of the liberating power of forgiveness.

  i heard it on the drive home and wanted to share it here with you.

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  NanaR

  You quote me saying:

  If theoretically, say, god forgives us our sins because we believe in Jesus and then we change religions, the forgiveness is withdrawn.

  Then ask:

  On what basis do you make this statement? Adding: When God forgives us our sins, he does so completely and does not withdraw that forgiveness…and does not rule out the possibility that we can walk away from Him and His forgiveness (grace).

  Do you not see that if we can walk away from his forgiveness it is conditional.

  You say:

  God honours our free will.

  Clearly he does not. Because if we use our free will to walk away he cease to forgive and withdraws his offer of everlasting life. This is not honouring free will.

  Trevor:

  I'm having difficulty with the formatting, but this is what I was trying to say (sorry if I was unclear).

  God forgives us. It is unconditional and He does not take it back. It is a gift.

  We can choose to accept His gift or throw it away. The fault is not His, but ours.

  Just to state what I said clearly. You have a right to your own opinion.

  Fortunately when I entered into the illogical world of Biblical theology I wisely used the word ‘theoretically.’

  Actually I would not apply the term "theoretically" to theology. A theory implies a hypothesis which can be verified by experimental means. The world of theology is the world of faith -- by definition not verifiable by natural means, since it has a supernatural origin. Nice talkin' to you ;-) Ruth
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  The Long Road To Forgiveness

  by BurnTheShips in

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  so many of us have suffered so much here in our experience with the watchtower cult and at the hands of others.

  this afternoon's segment of npr's this i believe reminds us of the liberating power of forgiveness.

  i heard it on the drive home and wanted to share it here with you.

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  NanaR

  If theoretically, say, god forgives us our sins because we believe in Jesus and then we change religions, the forgiveness is withdrawn.

  Trevor:

  On what basis do you make this statement?

  When God forgives us our sins, he does so completely and does not withdraw that forgiveness. Having been forgiven in the past does not preclude the need to seek forgiveness in the future when/if we sin again, and does not rule out the possibility that we can walk away from Him and His forgiveness (grace).

  God honors our free will. If we choose to live without him, and die without him, that is our choice.

  His choice is always to forgive us. He loves us no matter what our "religion". We are all His children, and He is available to all of us.

  Pax,

  Ruth
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  The Long Road To Forgiveness

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so many of us have suffered so much here in our experience with the watchtower cult and at the hands of others.

  this afternoon's segment of npr's this i believe reminds us of the liberating power of forgiveness.

  i heard it on the drive home and wanted to share it here with you.

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  Thanks Burn.

  This is why my favorite part of the Our Father prayer is: "forgive us our trespasses, AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS against us"

  As we forgive, so we are forgiven.

  Anger and hatred will destroy a person from the inside out. I know. I was angry with God for many many years. The anger was so deeply buried that I could not even see it was there -- but I could feel the bitterness that it engendered.

  I had to learn that the God I was taught to worship was not the God who came to earth to save me. I could not remain angry at the suffering God on the Cross.

  I needed to read this this morning too.

  Love you, Burn.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  NanaR

  I remmember the Ledley sisters.

  Carol and Adele Ledley were "needgreater" pioneers in my congregation in Kentucky before they went to Bethel. I spent several summers of my teenage years "vacation pioneering" with them.

  Lois Borden lived with the Ledley girls here, and Patsy Ferguson came here with them but moved out to live with an elderly brother and sister. Carol and Adele became special pioneers and left us, then went to Bethel. Lois left when they did. Patsy stayed quite a long time. She was from Ithaca, NY.

  I believe they all got married, and I know that Carol, Adele, and Patsy all had at least one child. I don't know if Lois ever had any children or not.

  Connections, connections -- they never stop!!

  Did any of you ever meet Paula Spatz? She went to Gilead, got engaged, and married her fiance (also a Gilead student) after they got to their assignment in Africa. Paula was a beautiful girl.

  Memory lane...

  Ruth
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  Are you now involved in a different religion or structured group?

  by feenx in

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  i was browsing another post where wtwizard implied membership in another group, and was asked what it was.

  that got me thinking...since coming out the society, has anyone embraced another organized religion or group, public or secret?

  if so, what is it, and what made you join and continue membership?

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  NanaR

  I was an "ethical agnostic" for a long time. I am now passionately Roman Catholic.

  Pax,

  Ruth

  http://nanaruthann.blogspot.com
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  Hi Warren,
  
  Don't spread it around, but I have it on pretty good authority that the WTS actually did produce a functional Universal Translator down in John Kurzen's office in the Carpenter Shop. However, they ended up selling the rights to make them to Gene Roddenberry, who made extensive use of them on the Enterprise. You probably didn't realize that all those guys on Star Trek were actually speaking their native tongues, which was then translated on the fly into English by the device they bought from the WTS. The Society had to sell it because, although it was quite good at translating Klingon, it tended to overheat badly when translating Watchtower articles. They briefly tried to use it to translate Bethel Office memos into Newboyspeak, but again it tended to overheat. The last straw was when one of the UTs blew up trying to translate John Booth's morning text comments into English. Since they couldn't use it themselves, the only thing left to do was to sell it to Gene. Too bad, after all the work Dean Songer put into it.
  
  Guru Tom

  Okay, you should have put a spew alert on this one. Now there's Sweet Tea spots on my monitor . This is the best thread I've ever read on this board. Carry on, boys!! Nana Ruth Who was tending babies in Kantucky while all y'all were playing in Brooklyn...
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  Jehovah's Witnesses & Baptism

  by sacolton in

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  i'm trying to remember what is said during baptism.

  do they baptise "in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit"?

  i can't remember.. .

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  NanaR

  Salcoton:

  Your Methodist baptism is still valid. Baptism (performed correctly) leaves an indelible mark on the soul.

  What you are seeking is the gift of the Holy Spirit. Remember, in scripture, baptism with water and the laying on of hands were often separate events.

  Pray intently for the Lord to guide you to His truth. He will without fail answer your prayer! While we seek Him, He is also always seeking us. He loves us so very much, but it took me a lifetime to actually FEEL that love.

  I will keep you in my prayers as well.

  Pax,

  Ruth
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  Jehovah's Witnesses & Baptism

  by sacolton in

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  i'm trying to remember what is said during baptism.

  do they baptise "in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit"?

  i can't remember.. .

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  NanaR

  Hey Salcoton,

  The Catholic Church does not recognize JW baptism as valid. There are only a handful that they do not recognize -- JW, Mormon, Pentacostal (oneness), and Seventh Day Adventist I think are the ones they don't.

  There are several factors involved with JW baptism that bring it's validity into question, even if it was performed prior to the "organization" insertion.

  At the time of my baptism (1967) the brother actually said the words, "I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit" while I was in the water and just before he dunked me. However, our friend Tom Cabeen was baptized in the 1960s and he says that the words were NOT said over him at his baptism. So JWs were not consistent in their baptisms even then.

  I was baptized Catholic this past March. It was an amazing spiritual experience --- quite a lot different from being dunked in a little pool in the basement of the Kingdom Hall.

  Pax,

  Ruth
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  Do you Blog?

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

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  i am in the process of creating a blog... not sure if it is a waste of time or a hobby in the making.. so, do you blog?

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  NanaR

  Yup.

  http://nanaruthann.blogspot.com

  Ruth