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  My Personal Proof That Elders Are Not Appointed by Holy Spirit

  by TMS in

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  this topic is not about men living sinfully at the time of their appointment as elders.

  it is not about pedophile elders, although i've personally known three, two who were pedophiles at the time of their appointment by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.. first of all a quick summary of what jehovah's witnesses are taught about the appointment of elders and ministerial servants:.

  before the visit of the circuit overseer, the local elders meet to consider who, if any, among the local congregation they will recommend as elders or .

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  TMS,How are the slaves choosen for a higher position?Are they selected by the BOE without any input from the slave(the one selected for ms/elder)?
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  WT Comments (12/31 DISCIPLE MAKER) FEATURING SIR NOSE

  by V in

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  Very good.The title should be "Sucker Maker."That was a very good multi level marketing story.Yes do more for the printing corporation.Notice now they use door to door sale tactics.Just like those sneaky scum scammers(swindlers) even getting childred to do their dirty work(child slave labour).
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  How do people continue to buy into the Watchtower???

  by integ in

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  folks,.

  with all the information out there, available for all to see; exposing the lies,hypocrisy, and outright ridiculousness (is that a word?..if not it should be) of this whole witness religion, how in the world are people still buying into this?.

  is it because i don't have jehovah's spirit anymore?

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  They suck people in under false pretense.It's a scam and a fraud.Look how many people get sucked in by scam artists.You know people who go door to door selling house repairs,insurance,MLM,etc,etc.Than you hear hoar stories of how much money they lost.You hear the T.V.evanigelical types that took old granny to the cleaners and I don't mean to get cleaned physical but cleaned financially.With all the info out there on radio,T.V.,internet,police warnings against these CON ARTISTS people get swingled.Why are the CON ARTISTS still in business,because they can scam these people.They are a FRAUD,FRAUD,FRAUD.they do not care about the hardship they put on old people,take all their life saving.They(wbts) have no conscience no sir.SO you see people get sucked into things.

  The difference between CON ARTISTS and WBTS ZERO NONE they are greedy money hungry scum.Well maybe one tiny difference the WBTS has patience.Like Blondie said they will look for an opportunity.They will suck in the wife first.Than the husband gets suck in by the wife.When the husband finds out it's all bullshit it's to late.When the shit hits the fan.which the wbts want,because a split family means more control and eventually walla money,MONEY ,MONEY,MONEY.estate,wills,property in wifes names willed to wbts.

  I believe the government should treat the door to door work of Jehovah's Witnesses the same as those fraud scam artists who rip off people by their sneak ways.Both are scam scums.I hope my heavy handed words don't get me in trouble.

  PS:I am sorry for the long post.My point is people get sucked into things and the wbts has a very good track record.It's so sad when you hear an elderly lady lose everthing to a scum con.It's so sad when you hear a family split to a wbts scum.
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  Public Edition and Study Edition of the Watchtower

  by bobld in

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  this was debated on this forum however, since they are being issued to joe q public in 2008 i needed to update the gb/fds.per july 07 km "exciting changes for the watchtower,thrilling announcement: 2 editions of the watchtower.1 for the public and a study edition for j.w.

  will not require to explain terms like "pioneer".back in 2001 the wbts/gb/fds published a book "benefit from theocratic ministry school education".as you will see the wbts/j.w.

  used these terms back in 2001,so why wait until 2008 for a public edition of the watchtower.let's take a peak at the benefit education book.. "jesus' sermon on the mount is a superb example of a talk that can be understood by people no matter who they are or where they live.and he expressed his thought in down to earth language matt.chap 5-7.".

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  This was debated on this forum however, since they are being issued to Joe Q public in 2008 I needed to update the GB/FDS.Per July 07 Km "Exciting changes for THE Watchtower,thrilling announcement: 2 editions of the watchtower.1 for the public and a study edition for J.W.'s.WHY because J.W. will not require to explain terms like "pioneer".Back in 2001 the WBTS/GB/FDS published a book "Benefit from Theocratic Ministry School Education".As you will see the WBTS/J.W. used these terms back in 2001,so why wait until 2008 for a public edition of the watchtower.Let's take a peak at the Benefit education book.

  "Jesus' sermon on the mount is a superb example of a talk that can be understood by people no matter who they are or where they live.and he expressed his thought in down to earth language Matt.chap 5-7."

  The next statement in the same book in the same chapter."Without some explanation those who are not associated with J.W. will not understand that,remnant,FDS,other sheep,and the great crowd identify groups of people.Similarly,unless a person is familiar with the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses,he will probably not understand what is meant by such terms as,publisher,pioneer,circuit overseer,memorial."

  So GB/FDS explain why Jesus and the Bible can be understood by people no matter where they live but your Watchtower can not be understood.Yet you call this a worldwide Bible education work or is it a worldwide sucker work.You know once a sucker signs on the bottom line(dunked) you have him/her hooked.Shame.shame,shame on you, why can't you come clean.You know the real reason for the public edtition.
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  Preaching work - What other religion preaches??

  by Black Man in

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  i know the mormons go door to door and i have seen some church of god people occasionally.

  who else has organized preaching ministries (door to door, etc.)?

  i'm in an ongoing dialogue with relatives and this is one of their contentions - that the witnesses must have the truth (despite the many fallacies) because they are the only one that go door to door preaching.

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  All religions preach however, they are more effective then J.W.'S.WBTS brag in their videos about their preaching work door to door and how much literature they sell.They printed over 2 billion pieces of literature last year but only 129 million bible in their whole history.It just goes to show they are interested in making money and not preaching the word of God the Bible.For instance the Gideons place over 60 million Bibles in ONE year alone.They Gedeons also mention that they would place a lot more Bibles but are restained by lack of funds.More Bible education work is accompished in China via,TV,internet,radio than any other means.The WBTS should be ashamed of wasting peoples resouces ie cars,gas etc for accomplishing so little with so much money.Yet they keep asking for more donations so they can build fancy bethel homes for themselves and live in luxury.See proclaimers book,Patterson.and other bethel homes.More on their videos later.
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  Upcoming Elders Schooling

  by Questions1 in

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  it's no secret that the "organization" has increased it's cia, national security clerance only super-secret attitude in regards to the elder school that is going to be conducted soon.

  a few days ago, i had a conversation with an elder who has been in the fold all of his life practically.

  in keeping with the conversation style of jws, the gentleman told me that nobody knows what exactly will be taught at the meetings, but in his backdoor conversations with some brothers who seem to be tuned into the bethel's officially, unofficial, communications network, the elders are going to be taught "post-armageddon" teachings.

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  Welcome Question1 however, I would NOT say how scholars on this forum get info on the WBTS.They got their ear to the ground and monitor this forum.The more that crime gang is kept in the dark the better.
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  Can you tell us who is the most zelous Jehovah's Witness you know?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  my uncle was baptised 50 years ago.

  he was made an elder a few years later.. started a new congregation with the help of another elder.. has been married for over 50 years.. only missed a meeting due to being in the hospital a few days.. attends all out of town conventions no matter where it's held.. reads only watchtower material.

  doesn't watch any television other than the news.. pioneers all year long since retired.. only visits witness friends and congregation members.. still gives public talks,is watchtower conductor and book study conductor.. didn't attend his father's funeral because it was held in a catholic church..

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  The ones who bragg.Look at me I go to all meeting.read only GB mxxxx,etc. all fakes,God will judge.
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  What makes the 144,000 heavenly class stand out from the average person?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  the jehovahs witnesses claim that the 144,000 is a limit to the number of people who will reign with christ in heaven and spend eternity with god.

  the 144,000 have the heavenly hope.

  those who are not born again will enjoy the earthly hopea paradise on earth ruled by christ and the 144,000. today,the wts claim that there are less than 9,000 heavenly class left on earth.. .

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  They are choosen by the old farts in H.Q. of the WBTS.As far as replacements I can't see why after all God forgive a murderer,adulterer,(killed 70K) and he, God choose David.If there were 10,187 in 1977 that means the number of 144k had been fullfilled.So they are 30 years older today,yeah end is here.Go sell your house,cat dog,toys and go get slaves for the printing company.
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  Watchtower Comments YOUTUBE PREMIERE!

  by V in

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  bobld

  Excellent. to bad brain dead J.W. don't see the msg.

  PS:sorry a braindead J.W. can't reason.
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  Is there a Universal Issue? Did God cheat....yes and I can prove it.

  by oompa in

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  gen. 3:5 for god knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like god, knowing good and bad.".

  (genesis 3:22) 22 and jehovah god went on to say: "here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,".

  gen 3:22and the lord god said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:i awoke this morning and had an epiphiny.

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  Myelaine,thanks for your answer to my question.My take the construction of Babel started approx.2170 B.C. give or take 100 years. The Bible in oral and written 2170 to 1513 oral, 1513-approx 400 B.C. oral/written in Hebrew.Language changed in 2170 when construction of Babel (probablely 10 or more languages).So only the Hebrew people or some many say God's choosen people got direction/instructions.That's according to the Bible.Now why would a parent, father or mother only communicate with one sibling in a language that it understood but the rest didn't.That is how I see God he/she is the parent of the human family,Enough of this bullshit,that is why the god of the Bible is an idiot.

  PS:If language changed,how did Moses communicate with Pharoah.Also how did the wondering idiots talk to God's enemy nations.