a question i have often asked is when, precisely, did satan become the god of this system of things?.
the old testament does not mention satan as world ruler.
there are vague references in daniel where demonic princes are in charge of various parts of the world, even wrestling with the angel gabriel to prevent him from giving daniel a message.. i would have though that after the flood of noah's day, it was time for a fresh start, but god allowed satan to take up his former role.. a number of scriptures in the new testament suggest that satan was already god of this world.. .
"the god of this system of things" IS THE THINGS GOD CREATED.Like tobacco,drugs and of course beautiful WOMEN.
Man's reaction(hardon) when he see's a beautiful woman.Now we have porn internet,not sure what god had in mind here,but it is up there with one of those system of things.
Bob
we all know that hiroshima and nagasaki were destroyed in august 1945 after explosion of atomic bomds.however we know little about the progress made by the people of that land during the past 64 years.see the colorful city of hiroshima today.. the reason i mention this:when the economy turned south the past year,the leaders of the wbts were happier than flies on cow dung.it gave them a reason to spout off and tell people how foolish it was to put trust in this system and not god's(1914) kingdom which is just around the corner.. well the people of hiroshima and nagasaki did not put their trust in the wbts so called kingdom around the corner cow dung.it's 64 years later since the a bomb and that kingdom is still not here.what king of city would they have if they listened to the gb.they would still be living in the rubble.. bob .
We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed in August 1945 after explosion of atomic bomds.However we know little about the progress made by the people of that land during the past 64 years.See the colorful City of Hiroshima today.
The reason I mention this:When the economy turned south the past year,the leaders of the WBTS were happier than flies on cow dung.It gave them a reason to spout off and tell people how foolish it was to put trust in this system and not God's(1914) kingdom which is just around the corner.
Well the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not put their trust in the WBTS so called Kingdom around the corner cow dung.It's 64 years later since the A bomb and that kingdom is still not here.What king of city would they have if they listened to the GB.They would still be living in the rubble.
Bob
baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.
(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.
is.. bob.
I appreciate all your comments and will not reply to all.rebel8 asked"Do you have any info on when the ordination at baptism began?" No,but I hear it at every baptism talk.Also I see the GB trained you well to be an ordinary ordained minister.See BluesBrother comment.However I would add you are trained to recruit more sales people and sell more mags/books for the WBTS.
Satanus,re.'Supreme Court of the USA valid baptism of J.W." I may be wrong but I believe it had to do with Theological training in a seminary to be qualified as an ordained minister.Other religions felt since J.W. did not go to seminar school they didn't qualify as O.M.
I am not sure how it would play today with all the human rights,young children working as slaves in sweat factories in China/India etc.Can this be compared to 9 year old baptised J.W. as an O.M.
Also how can you discipline a 9 year old as an O.M. who is still growing,developing,maturing not really responsable for a whole lot,will pout when asked to clean her/his room.Will throw a tantum.
The WBTS/GB should come clean an be honest they are using this tactic getting young ones into their Org. without a way out.As can be seen here of the many who try to escape but at a very high price.The pain,sorrow,tears .................................sad.I am sorry for the rambling.They should make it clear what it means.Why rush to get little ones baptised.AH,the GB knows that once one is mature they see the scam.
Bob
baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.
(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.
is.. bob.
Baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.At the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two Q.Affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ORDAINED MINISTERS of J.W..We all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.Now in the eyes of the WBTS these are qualified ordained ministers.
To my way of thinking these Ordained Ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.Example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.Do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of J.W.(girl).In other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but I don't think a J.W. is.
Bob
illustration:my daughter is kidnapped.i pay the kidnappers the ransom price to bring about the release of my daughter.end of story,not so fast.you see the kidnappers injected a deadly drug which they can remotely activate and kill her any time they so desire.the ransom released her from the kidnappers but she is still under the control of the kidnappers.like wise the "so called ransom j.c. paid to release man" man is not.. if the ransom j.c. paid to release man from death,why is it that man still dies?oh,man is controlled by the so called drug injected by<><>(no free will).
bob.
Illustration:My daughter is kidnapped.I pay the kidnappers the ransom price to bring about the release of my daughter.End of story,not so fast.You see the kidnappers injected a deadly drug which they can remotely activate and kill her any time they so desire.The ransom released her from the kidnappers but she is still under the control of the kidnappers.Like wise the "so called ransom J.C. paid to release man" man is not.
If the ransom J.C. paid to release man from death,why is it that man still dies?Oh,man is controlled by the so called drug injected by<><>(no free will)
Bob
this email came from my sister.
i copied and pasted as is.
i'd like to reply with a comment to my sis, but maybe better keep quiet.... .
So, who did Amarillo City NOT give breaks,to the brothers or the WBTS.The WBTS said they scheduled only one convention in Amarillo and rescheduled the other 3 or 4 conventions in other cities many many many miles away.Oh.yeah the brothers got the short end of the stick.Oh well it is ok,because they have to pay more for gas,etc,blind they are.
Bob
why did not the father take to heart the counsel and wisdom of the faithful slave (gb)?what kind of example did he set for his sons?.
circa 1970:the counsel of the faithful slave to teenagers was to go pioneering.they would not complete high school because the end was so near.they would not get married in this system let alone have children.i'am not good at judging age,but i would say the father in the drama would be a young person in the seventies.here we have someone who has a family business,acquired wealth and has enough money so his son doesn't have to work.that was 1970..on wards.here we have a family business 35 years later and the end is not here.today the faithful slave discourages materialism,obvously the father did not listen.good for him,but he missed the point.did not this father say to his son to pioneer because the end was so near.again,why did the father not pioneer,instead of starting a business and making money.. the father should encourage his son to start a business today.and in 35 years the son can encourage his son.. bob.
why did not the father take to heart the counsel and wisdom of the faithful slave (gb)?what kind of example did he set for his sons?.
circa 1970:the counsel of the faithful slave to teenagers was to go pioneering.they would not complete high school because the end was so near.they would not get married in this system let alone have children.i'am not good at judging age,but i would say the father in the drama would be a young person in the seventies.here we have someone who has a family business,acquired wealth and has enough money so his son doesn't have to work.that was 1970..on wards.here we have a family business 35 years later and the end is not here.today the faithful slave discourages materialism,obvously the father did not listen.good for him,but he missed the point.did not this father say to his son to pioneer because the end was so near.again,why did the father not pioneer,instead of starting a business and making money.. the father should encourage his son to start a business today.and in 35 years the son can encourage his son.. bob.
Why did not the father take to heart the counsel and wisdom of the Faithful slave (GB)?What kind of example did he set for his sons?
circa 1970:The counsel of the Faithful slave to teenagers was to go pioneering.They would not complete high school because the end was so near.They would not get married in this system let alone have children.I'am not good at judging age,but I would say the father in the drama would be a young person in the seventies.Here we have someone who has a family business,acquired wealth and has enough money so his son doesn't have to work.That was 1970..on wards.Here we have a family business 35 years later and the end is not here.Today the faithful slave discourages materialism,obvously the father did not listen.Good for him,but he missed the point.Did not this father say to his son to pioneer because the end was so near.Again,why did the father not pioneer,instead of starting a business and making money.
The Father should encourage his son to start a business today.And in 35 years the son can encourage his son.
Bob
some excerpts:"treated like a nobody".
"when officially sanctioned (disfellowsipped by wbts) discrimination can lead to such evils as ethnic cleansing(kicked out of the congregation).. "bigotry and intolerance (don't talk or help a disfellowshipped person, fired him from an elders construction company) where there are laws against discrimination".. the right education can (on this forum) expose the root cause of prejdice (disfellowshipping) and help us deal wisely with prejudice when we are victims".. 'prejudice may be sown by those( you can add those here) who deliberately promote warped views of other cultures (religion such as the roman catholic church)".. we should choose our associates wisely(if we associate with workmates or other religions we will be discriminated>disfellowshipped<).. don't get me started on p22 clergy-laity.. by the way i just read "blues brother wt 15/10/09-re d/f'd friends.now i am really pissed-off.. bob.
Some excerpts:"Treated Like a Nobody"
"When officially sanctioned (disfellowsipped by WBTS) discrimination can lead to such evils as ethnic cleansing(kicked out of the congregation).
"Bigotry and intolerance (don't talk or help a disfellowshipped person, fired him from an elders construction company) where there are laws against discrimination".
The right education can (ON THIS FORUM) expose the root cause of prejdice (disfellowshipping) and help us deal wisely with prejudice when we are victims".
'Prejudice may be sown by those( you can add those here) who deliberately promote warped views of other cultures (religion such as the Roman Catholic church)".
We should choose our associates wisely(if we associate with workmates or other religions WE WILL BE DISCRIMINATED>disfellowshipped<).
Don't get me started on P22 Clergy-Laity.
By the way I just read "Blues Brother Wt 15/10/09-RE D/F'D friends.Now I am really PISSED-OFF.
Bob
10:5, 11, 14; acts 7:53; rev.
(matthew 18:10) see to it that you men do not despise one of these little ones; for i tell you that their angels in heaven always behold the face of my father who is in heaven.. *** w76 8/15 p. 494 par.
not by angels but by a fellow christian.. quote.
Do the bobbing heads really know what the GB is feeding them?EX.P15.they believe the angels learn from the GB(God's ORG.)Unbelieviable. P16.The anointed sisters on Earth are shit yet these very ones will rule in heaven.P12 We would not expect angels to rescue or protect us if we were to engage in reckless behavior......not taking unnecessary risks.So why do you take risks and preach where you are told not to,ie China,Russia
Bob
