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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

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  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  I agree with you Reniaa.Case in point J.W. should not take the Blood doctrine to court.

  Bob
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  Lets take the money out of the equation(France).The GB\WBTS wins the court case of discrimination against J.W.(Jehovah answers the prayers of the GB/J.W. Gov't can't tax J.W. in France.

  Let me illustrate( long story)

  Exemplary J.W. family (Vancouver,Canada),father is a long time elder,mother is a pioneer.Their son whom I will call (AB) is 25 years old,very intelligent,started pioneering after high school.Has many privileges,been used in many demonstrations,including in dramas at D.C.

  Another exemplary J.W.family(Toronto,Canada).Same attributes as the family above,only their son whom I will call (DC) is 28 years old.Both AB & DC are now at Canada branch Bethel.

  The GB/WBTS often refer to these two as model families.Now watch this

  Brother AB & DC come out of the closet as it were and are seen in the Gay Pride Parade in Toronto,Canada which is broadcast live and announce that they are getting married.They want to get married in the Bethel assembly hall and want Bro elder to marry them.

  Q1 Will the GB/WBTS disfellowship Bro AB,DC?

  Q2 Will the GB/J.W. allow them to use the bethel assembly hall?

  Q3 Will Bro elder be allowed to marry AC<DC?

  You see, if the GB/WBTS want the court in France decide not to discriminate against J.W. that is good.Now in Canada the Supreme court has ruled that you cannot discriminate against same sex marriage or sexual-orienation.

  Now answer the three questions. I rest my case.

  The above is a hypothetical example

  Bob
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  I would like the preface my statement:There is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in Gov't, neutral in the Judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.The reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.As an example a court case in Canada about blood.They lost the case so now they must obey Satan's system/Gov't.They cannot now say we must obey God rather than man because they put their faith in Satan's system hoping for victory which came not.Another case in France,they did not want to pay what the Gov't asked,so they used Satan's system and lost.Why put faith in Satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.How can they say they are neutral when they use Satan's system.Another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took God out of the picture).

  How many OT examples are there that the nation of Israel went to the pagan's court.Why did not Jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(Sanhedrin).Yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of NEUTRALITY.It is not only war,it is gov't,it is the JUDICIARY as a battle ground as well.

  Bob

  PS:The court system has changed over the years: Look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.It will sting them in the behind.
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  What did you dream about doing in the "New System"?

  by lurk3r in

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  life in the new system, did you give it much thought?

  sure, we would be brought to perfection, and there would be a resurrection, but how about other things?.

  in my years growing up and living as a jw, i never really thought about it that much.

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  I never did or do because I enjoy my life.Only those JW's that have a hard time,always say "I can't wait for the new system."Why do they always say that?Many who have waiting for better things"new system"are gone.When I'am gone,that is it,I do not want to come to life thousands of years from now.This life is good.

  Bob
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  Bethel and Prisons using slave labor for profit!

  by Witness 007 in

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  behtel has workers who are paid basically nothing!

  a small "re-inbursment" for expenses.

  prison is the same...making license plates for $2 dollars an hour....mc donalds resturants are not far behind.

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  I really enjoy this topic because of the experiences of ex bethelites.As an example a brother was let go after 50 years in bethel.Now he is broke has 0ne used suit,is homeless no where to live.The GB is now looking for replacements.I say great let another sucker work for 50 years and get kicked out because he is no longer useful to the mother CORP.Isn;t it great for all the blind suckers,let them slave away for someone else for nothing.I love it the way they are treated.

  Only one thing that I don't agree.They GB want charity status and we(GOV'T) have to look after these old people.After their productive are done and they made no contributions to 401k,no income tax for the gov't to fund the homeless,needy people which they are now.

  Bob
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  Watchtower society cutting LOTS of corners to save money!!! $$$$$ List?

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. scandals

  calanders cut to half their size...makes it hard to write your time in!

  soft cover books replace hard covers, more wear and tear but less cost.

  making a seperate watchtower for study saving on printing.

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  They introduced another way of making money.The TOAA( traveling overseer assist arrangement )for C.O. expenses travelling and dental.This is an absolute requirement that all cocgreation must pay,even if the publishers can't.

  Bob

  PS:All congregation already pay pay for his expanses.I don't know why they have to pay TOAA.
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  Watchtower says "Field Service Report NOT a Major Concern!"

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  2. friends

  the watchtower, june 1st, 2005 issue, pages 14-15:.

  "saved, not by works alone, but by undeserved kindness" (study article).

  (paragraph 1): "christians [...] realize that in jehovah's service, right motives are more important than personal accomplishments.

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  Is this not a" born again" way of life.Now the older ones will not feel guilty.

  Bob
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  Could Watchtower Collapse Be Sooner Than You Think?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a number of developments over the past few months and they paint an interesting picture.. witnesses can keep dragging themselves to meetings ad infinitum however, the future of the watchtower itself is another story.

  the evidence of continuing cash flow problems is now overwhelming.

  if you talk to well placed witnesses, most won't deny it but simply blame it on the publishers financial problems.. they have cut off loans to congregations many of whom genuinely need new kingdom halls.

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  Well maybe after the D.C.,they kept saying the end is near,very near, in fact, so near that you could smell it.They are very rich in assets,but have a cash flow problem.First it was the KHAA,than TOAA (Travelling overseer assist arrangement).I understand they want $4.25 from every publisher in Canada.That payment MUST be made ,even if some can't,than the congregation will.That is, to the help the C.O.(T.O.)with travelling and dental expenses.

  In the past the congregations paid for the C.O. expenses,ie gas/meals.The way I figure,this is for dental only, which amounts to over $6,000 per C.O. per year to me that is high.I forgot it's to help their cash flow problem.

  Also in the near future.mark my words they will use the Devil's device(internet) to get the info out to the R&F.One last thing,I believe there is a powerful group of men behind the scenes.They are using the so called GB, as puppets and when the time comes they will take over all the assets.

  Bob
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-28-09 WT Study (GREATER MOSES)

  by blondie in

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  the bible that were never in the bible.

  inspired christian greek scriptures in various places.

  "the christ"?.

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  Thanks Blondie:

  Q12 So many hours, so little .How many JW really put in an effort to convert people.They don't want to start studies,they aren't interested in people.It's a joke.If they put the same effort in working their own business they would be worse the GM.

  Q15.ahahahah "Israel of God is now God's special property" You got to be kidding me.I don't think God's archenemy would pay two cents for them.

  Bob
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  Residents building 50,000-square-foot Jehovah's Witnesses assembly hall

  by Gayle in

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  http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/robot-99398-vinci-espinoza.html.

  residents building 50,000-square-foot jehovah's witnesses assembly hallcomments 2| recommend 1. june 27, 2009 - 9:09 pmby gabriel saldana, valley morning star video goes here la feria - contractors, construction machinery, power generators and rv trailers are strewn about a 30-acre construction site on south parker road.. the workers there are not paid and the land on which they are building was donated like much of the heavy machinery they use.

  the rest of the machinery is rented with donated money.. everyone at the construction site of the 2,500-seat jehovah's witnesses assembly hall is a volunteer.

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  So 157 congregations will travel hundreds of miles (good for the environment)spend hundreds of dollars on hotels,meals,plus donate 15 dollars per day per publisher for the use of the facility.Oh.yeah another way to scam and fleece the sheep.Not to mention the kick backs from rented hotel rooms(we know the scam).2000 X 15=$30,000 per day x40 days=$1,200,000 in 5 years you recovered all the free donated money.Who are you looking out for.

  Bob