Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

by yadda yadda 2 in

utterly embarrassing.

how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

AllTimeJeff

Thanks for bringing back Gilead flash backs. I need to sleep tonight dammit!

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Calling all Americans!!!

by LucyA in

jw
friends

why are americans so paranoid about the government?.

please understand im in no way trying to be disrespectful to your country im just trying to understand why their seams to be an outcry every time someone mentions the government legislating over something eg healthcare.

although i dont trust our pollies i would never withdraw my support without at least reading the legislation first.

AllTimeJeff

No Country has EVER conquered China. Ever.

I meant middle eastern countries. No one SHOULD mess with China militarily. The middle east is different and thats who I was referring to. Sorry for the confusion.

:I know China is trying to replace the dollar as the main currency to use in transactions like oil, etc, but thats only because they have so much of our paper money, they see an opportunity.

Well, there you go. If our currency was as strong as you asserted, then China wouldn't have a chance even thinking about replaced it. You just made my argument.

Farkel, at this moment, I think China overestimates their position on this. I haven't heard anything on this recently, so I am assuming they will wait and see how the US does at paying back some of this debt first before they try their stated strategy of a different world currency. I don't think our currency is strong, but there are other factors at play to prevent this for now. Which means we need to pay this shit off ASAP.

Farkel, my point is simple on the world currency: The US wouldn't let that happen. We can't. If China wants to call our markers, something will be brought up, legit and fair or not, to prevent it.

I will skip to this.... for the sake of time...

You need to understand the main pinnings of their RELIGION. It is evil personified.

Take off your rose-colored glasses, Jeff. These are not nice people, and this is not a nice diplomatic situation that will be decided over cocktails and noshes.

I am rethinking my position on this lately. I agree, its too late for diplomacy in Europe. To some degree, muslims will be marginalized and treated poorly for their own rhetoric (as a group) in the EU at some point. But either action, whether it be what you suggest as making their life hell, or "inaction/diplomacy" that I wish could happen both will have unintended consequences. And believe me, I am not married in this case to diplomacy for the muslim issue in the EU. But we can't let that social situation in Europe effect how we treat the middle eastern muslim countries. Those are related, but seperate issues.

The biggest lesson of how WWII started was the screwing of Germany during the 1920's as punishment for WWI. It allowed their entire economy to collapse, and it turned off people's brains so that a radical could take power and build an army.

The lesson is, screw no one, engage all in the global economy. This recession for the first time has shown that our national security is tied to our economy. It has to be somewhat regulated to keep "bubbles" from happening that caused this. Beyond that, we have to engage the legit muslim world. We also need to restric immigration big time in all the West. We are at full capacity, esp if you are from the middle east. If we were to no longer engage OPEC, they would absolutely run to India (our ally) and China (nobody's ally but their own). We can't afford that to happen, at least not in the next 10 years. If that were to happen, anti western leaders would come to power, and all bets are off at that point.

That is reality, and I don't like it. But it is how it is.

As far as the Muslim religion??? I have read enough of the Koran to know that it is evil. I am very concerned.

And as I say, I am rethinking a lot of my former positions regarding these issues.

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Calling all Americans!!!

by LucyA in

jw
friends

why are americans so paranoid about the government?.

please understand im in no way trying to be disrespectful to your country im just trying to understand why their seams to be an outcry every time someone mentions the government legislating over something eg healthcare.

although i dont trust our pollies i would never withdraw my support without at least reading the legislation first.

AllTimeJeff

Hey, you added to your post after I responded. Now I look even more retarded....

It appears you and I agree that China's demand for a new world currency cannot be allowed to happen for national security reasons. We simply cannot compromise at all on that.

But, being the pessimist that I am, the USA will only do that once a super crisis emerges. As Winston Churchill so accurately stated, "The United States can always be counted on to do the right thing, once all other alternatives have been exhausted."

Yup. What really hurts our speed at the moment is the idiotic gridlock (aka: the gridlock of idiots in Congress) that bogs down meaningful policy. Energy independence is at once a Democratic initiative, and one of the many things that the party of NO (Repubs) are taking a piss on.

No one in Congress can seem to look past the 2 year election cycles. It's really hurting us. And lets not pretend that the great recession hasn't hurt us either. It's all connected at this point. We have to balance printing $$ temporarily while keeping China at bay, and somehow, be vigilant against middle eastern terrorists.

I am starting to give myself a headache over this....

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Calling all Americans!!!

by LucyA in

jw
friends

why are americans so paranoid about the government?.

please understand im in no way trying to be disrespectful to your country im just trying to understand why their seams to be an outcry every time someone mentions the government legislating over something eg healthcare.

although i dont trust our pollies i would never withdraw my support without at least reading the legislation first.

AllTimeJeff

Better rethink that one. China and India will buy all the oil we won't buy. If we cut the Arabs off from our dollars, it wouldn't hurt them like you think.

Thats true, except for the lack of military capability they bring. In addition, those American dollars, even now, represent more value then Chinese and Indian currency. I know China is trying to replace the dollar as the main currency to use in transactions like oil, etc, but thats only because they have so much of our paper money, they see an opportunity. I HOPE no administratioin, GOP or Dem, indulges that bullshit for one second. The only way cutting off the Arabs from our dollars would hurt is if the dollar were no longer the main world currency. At that point, some destabilization could take place, absolutely. But that would have to happen first. Until then, the Arabs are still VERY dependent on us.

My point is militarily, the only way that the muslim world could wage jihad against the West was with a complicit China as a military partner. (maybe Russia?) What would China get out of it, cheap(er) oil? Does China have imperialistic ambition? Their history would suggest not, that they are insular. Russia might be more on that, and that too needs to have 2 eyes kept on it.

I think the greater threat from muslims is in Europe. I do think the EU will have to come down harshly on these muslims. I am not saying I potentially agree with that, but I do see it happening.

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Fun with numbers (or the Watchtower running out of steam) Statistics

by Aussie Oz in

having a look through the march wt pdf and noticed the graph showing the growth of jws and did a little basic math.

now math was not my strongest subject at school so i can stand some correcting on this if need be... but anyway, a little fun with numbers:.

1970; 1'483'000 is a growth of about 390% (av 19.5% per year).

AllTimeJeff

Jehovah's Witnesses passed their half life a long time ago. Of course, since they resemble cockroaches, they will probably never die. They will change, and lie about it, as they always do.

Eventually, the GB will evolve into the most pious, religious, treehouse club of all time. Being in a tree will bring them closer to god. They will also be able to keep better track of the last 3 practicing JW's left.

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the WBTS is the GB 1950 wt

by Aussie Oz in

the watch tower bible & tract society, the governing body of jehovahs witnesses, has pointed out through its publications that the kingdom of heaven was established in 1914, and it has shown in its writings how the signs of the present day are fulfilling prophecy in proof of the establishment of that kingdom.

the first world war was one of the first signs foretold by jesus in the 24th chapter of matthew as marking the end of the gentile times and the beginning of christs reign in heaven.

the watchtower magazine has proved this many times in its columns.. wt 1/1/1950 page 10. it does not say 'and' the governing body.

AllTimeJeff

It is written in the bylaws of all these corporations that ultimate control reverts ultimately to "the eccelsiastical governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses".

The officers today as noted are not GB members. Once the legal dept showed the GB that they could ultimately control as non voting officers (which is a provision legally in the United States for all religions as long as they use the code word "ecclesiastical") the GB went for it. It serves many purposes as Farkel mentioned.

So don't be confused at all. If the GB wanted to make some changes to any of these corps, they could do it without many problems.

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Calling all Americans!!!

by LucyA in

jw
friends

why are americans so paranoid about the government?.

please understand im in no way trying to be disrespectful to your country im just trying to understand why their seams to be an outcry every time someone mentions the government legislating over something eg healthcare.

although i dont trust our pollies i would never withdraw my support without at least reading the legislation first.

AllTimeJeff

This initial post started out about the outcry by some over the healthcare debate here in the USA. I am firmly on the size of universal health care, and I don't really give a damn about labels or what you want to call it.

The thread has taken a turn about threats to our democracy. My wife and I were talking about this today. The threat of Islam is balanced by their (middle eastern OPEC countries) needs for our $$ and demand for their oil. It is the one chip that the West has given to placate the "moderate" (I use that term loosely) elements of the Muslim world. I maintain that in spite of the rhetoric, most middle eastern countries are not ape on invading Europe. They know damn well they won't be welcomed in the US. (frankly, they aren't) They also know that they will get their ass kicked. Bombing a building will get you invaded. If they get a nuke and try to use it? I pity them, they will blow up the goddam desert. And these "moderate" muslim leaders know this.

These are complex issues, and the answers aren't found in the bullshit coming from either the GOP or Dems. Both sides talk like they are talking to 2nd graders, and the dumbing down of the voting populace in general is worrisome. In additioin, many kids today don't give a rats ass about politics or social studies, trying to understand the politics and culture of different countries, all because they are trying to figure out if Jay-Z and Beyonce will ever have a kid, or if Brittney Spears will rent them one out.... (I jest, but not by much) So I do agree with you Farkel about that.

I do worry about the Muslim influx in Europe. This isn't a matter of immigrants wishing to worship as they did in their home. There is a growing vocal element who move to these countries yet insist that everyone respect THEIR culture, while they call for the overthrow of their adopted home? Yes, they are a minority, but does anyone not want to take these yahoos seriously?

I dont' have an answer, and my wife and I discussed this for over an hour today. But idealism that we can ignore them or oppression of muslims is not the answer. Not that I have confidence that a reasonable, well thought out policy is forthcoming. That would be a miracle. It will probably get worse before it gets better.

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What will be the theme of the 2010 District Assembly?

by asilentone in

just wondering..

AllTimeJeff

Suggested 2010 Themes:

Victorious Lawyers District Convention of JW's

Divine Blindness District Convention of JW's

Loyal Snails District Convention of JW's

Holiness Belongs to the Legal Dept District Convention of JW's

Lets Interview and Applaud the Burnt Out as Toast Missionaries International Convention of JW's

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Pedophiles should have the death penalty

by Leprechaun in

pedophiles should have the death penalty .

too many, wonderful children are being wasted by these filthy low life sobs, why are these pigs from hell not put on death row in this country i will never know.

shame shame shame!.

AllTimeJeff

I have experienced this in my own family with my brother and several friends, as well as having to deal with the ass headed way the WTBTS tries to cover things up.

It is a sensitive subject. If I had known why you brought this up, I wouldn't have responded as I did, and I apologize if my words hurt.

I do think the legal punishments for pedophiles are best discussed abstractly for a variety of reasons. But beyond that, what I wish for you and your family most of all is some healing for your wounds.

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Occult vs. Cult

by God_Delusion in

occult = "the term is also used as a label given to a number of magical organisations or orders, the teachings and practices taught by them, and to a large body of current and historical literature and spiritual philosophy related to this subject .

" - wikipedia.

cult = "scholars and non-academic researchers who use the term do so from explicitly critical perspectives which focus on the relationship between cult groups and the individual people who join them.

AllTimeJeff

*shaking head*

This I never caught in all my years in the borg. This is a definite attempt to distance themselves from cults by linking them to Satanism.