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  Anyone seen a Memorial talk outline?

  by undercover in

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  if i remember correctly, someone last year posted the memorial talk outline a week or so before the memorial.. does anyone have access to this year's outline?

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  i'm curious because of the new wt article that basically backs away from teaching that the 144,000 were all chosen by 1935. i'd like to see how it is mentioned in this year's talk because, as we all know, the memorial talk is more about the anointed and how they alone partake than it is about jesus..

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  jeanV

  I have the outline of last year and of this year. have not compared them yet. If anyone knows how to post them please contact me by pm, I will e-mail them.
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  With friends like these.......

  by Gill in

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  fifteen british military personnel are taken captive by our supposed enemy, iran, and taken care of very well by all appearances for 12 days.. british football fans go to rome and many innocent ones amongst them have the living bejeebeez beaten out of them by maniacal baton wielding roman policemen!.

  makes you wonder doesn't it!

  with friends like these, who needs enemies?.

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  jeanV

  Gill, UEFA will investigate (hopefully...).

  We do not know what happened before the match and as Rafa Benitez said when asked about the incident, it is difficult to judge sitting in front of TV.

  One thing is for sure, earlier this season a policeman was killed in Italy by Italian hooligans. I guess policemen are now scared and prefer to attack rather than being attacked (I do not justify this attitude).

  Out of their home country (where the problem of hooliganism is sort of managed) some English fans are not exactly mild, add to the fact that Roma fans are among the worst in Italy...
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  I did NOT refuse bloood

  by zack in

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  i took ill the morning after the memorial (my wife and i both attended.

  we arrived about 30 minutes after first symptoms.

  the ems guys were at my house in .

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  jeanV

  you did well zack! good to hear you are ok.

  I am also intrigued by your experience at the pioneer school. hope you'll post some details.
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  Who hates smoking and pets?

  by averyniceguy in

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  i really do hate smoking odors.

  i do not really hate pets but i am allergic to them.

  what about you?

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  jeanV

  I LOATHE smoking.

  I love pets but I hate it when you walk into a house and all you can smell are the animals.

  Same.
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  Memorial 2007

  by Ténébreux in

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  well i just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly.

  during the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which i hadn't heard previously.

  the speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the passover jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of jesus' other followers just observed and did not partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.

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  jeanV

  Please post full outline, as this js the first year I'm not going, since 1967

  If I get it I'll post it (provided I find out how to do it )
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  Memorial 2007

  by Ténébreux in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well i just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly.

  during the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which i hadn't heard previously.

  the speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the passover jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of jesus' other followers just observed and did not partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.

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  jeanV

  some references (not in agreement with each other):

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper

  http://www.sonofman.org/last.htm

  http://dailywisdom.gospelcom.net/archives/2006/04/02/index.html

  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14341a.htm

  *** it-2p.270Lord’sEveningMeal***

  Partakers andOtherAttendersattheMeal. Jesus had gathered his 12 apostles, saying to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer.” (Lu 22:15) But John’s eyewitness account indicates that Jesus dismissed the traitorous Judas before instituting the Memorial meal. During the Passover, Jesus, knowing that Judas was his betrayer, dipped a morsel of the Passover meal and handed it to Judas, instructing him to leave. (Joh 13:21-30) Mark’s account also intimates this order of events. (Mr 14:12-25) During the Lord’s Evening Meal that followed, Jesus passed the bread and the wine to the 11 remaining apostles, telling them to eat and drink. (Lu 22:19, 20) Afterward he spoke to them as “the ones that have stuck with me in my trials,” a further indication that Judas had been dismissed.—Lu 22:28.
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  The serious conversation with the wife about the cult- part 2

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  the book study overseer hasn't asked why i won't come to the bookstudy, he gets .

  be the month i stopped going to the k.h.

  not going this week than it was about missing other meetings.. i told her that i would not be going to the meetings at all anymore.

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  Truth-be-told, I would be closed to them, but they
  actually never tried to open a discussion. If they would just try, I would give them the excuse they need to
  stop trying again.

  OTWO, any particular reason why you do not want to help them to see the truth about the truth?
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  Did you see anything Strange at the Memorial- if you went???

  by Mad in

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  i want to see if i imagined it!.

  mad.

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  jeanV

  no, the talk sounded very much like last year.
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  DF for celebrating Birthdays??

  by lrkr in

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  has anyone ever heard of someone being dfd for celebrating their or their childrens birthday???.

  (my first post- took a lot to work up the courage- i'll tell more details later).

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  jeanV

  I do not think you would get disfellowshipped for celebrating it once. you could if your start claiming that your will always celebrate it as the Bible does not clearly condemn it and you start going around advertising it and saying that it is a conscience matter, etc... as jwfacts said is very much a matter of your attitude.

  I agree when he says to play innocent (but here it depends for how long you have been studying, if you are a long time jw it would be rather difficult to support this argument ;) )
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  What was the memorial like last nite (Southern Hemisphere)?

  by yaddayadda in

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  my country had theirs last nite.

  any new points in the talk or anything interesting you care to report?

  (doubt it)

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  jeanV

  This year we had silence during the passing.

  we too, but I guess it was coincidence as the outline (till last year) did say you may speak or remain silent during passing of the emblems. as soon as I see this year's outline I'll let you know if any changes (from the talk I guess that if there were any they weren't major).