Posts by Paralipomenon

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Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so

by Lazarus in

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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.

Paralipomenon

If you only stay in for the sake of others, then they are using you.

If they would throw away your friendship in a flash because you were not a member, then they are not really your friend.

It comes down to emotional blackmail. Would you stay someone's friend if they made you pay them $20 a day to be a friend with you? Essentially that is what is happening, except the price you are paying is your integrity. Constanly living a lie can have major toll on you.

You very well might be fine with this, and I'm in no position to judge. But you would be good to ask yourself why are the opinions of friends and family so important to you if they don't feel the same way about you?

For me, I stayed in as long as I did because my wife didn't have major issue with me fading. If we didn't have children, I could see me still being a member. I couldn't raise a child in the religion though, forcing them to live a lie and put up with riddicule and abuse wasn't an option when I didn't believe the reasoning behind it.

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More weird JW FB conversation

by serenitynow! in

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sometimes the things they talk about are so unrealistic.

this person had everyone list occupations/industries that would cease to exist in the paradise.

it's interesting how they think that everyone is going to turn into a carpenter, builder, farmer, etc.

Paralipomenon

I like the way they think they'll have electricity for lights and modern comforts.

Get used to candlelight!

Fridge? Nope.

Given that they think there will be a water canopy that will do away with winter, they will never have a cold drink again.

Who will mine for metal deposits? Who will smelt and form the metal? Who will make glass for their windows? Paper for their books?

If things go back to Eden. There will be no homes, or beds, or clothing. Mankind would be nothing more than sentient wild animals living off of berries and plants.

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Does this tell us how desperate they are to paint those who leave as evil??

by therevealer in

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friends

in the watchtower ?

july 15, 2011 15 this is how they portray ones who simply leave after seeing the light.

but notice how before the article ends they move on to satan and his wicked world.

Paralipomenon

WHoooo! I get my own cult!

Who wants to join? I'll be completely up front about it too. You can give me your money and women are required to sleep with me. I currently only have one follower, but she makes me do the dishes.

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The effect we are having on the Watchtower is HUGE

by jwfacts in

i was inspired by a recent thread i know i aint gunna crumble the wt, but a girl can dream to look at the effect we as individuals are having on the watchtower society.. 3dogs1husband quoted a story to show that even helping only one person is worth it.. it is encouraging to note that the one person you may have helped has lead to millions being helped, due to the power of compounding growth.. compounding growth is well illustrated by the rice on a chessboard problem.

if you start with 1 grain of rice on square one, and double it to 2 on the second, 4 on the third, 8 on the fourth, by the last (64th) square there would be 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 grains of rice.. likewise, if you help one person out of the grip of the watchtower this year, then next year you help one more and they help one, in a few years that is going to have a formidable result on the number of jehovahs witnesses.

look at the following statistics.

Paralipomenon

Thanks for the chart. This might explain the downsizing and sell off they have been doing over the past decade. If their growth was a steady 5.64% for many years, I bet they made business decisions and loans using the projected income from the forcasted growth. When that growth didn't materialize, I bet they were put into a crunch and had to reevaluate their current investments.

I can think of a parable about the man who started building before planning his finances. Can't remember where from though. I guess it's not important. :D

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

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most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Paralipomenon

Violia: There is reasoning, then there is realizing someone isn't looking to reason, they are looking to preach.

The assertion is contradictory: "I know the witnesses aren't right because of their actions, but what if they are because I don't experience demon attacks anymore"

Regardless of what people say, he keeps reasserting the same question over and over.

People have brought up very vaild points which aren't being addressed at all. Just the same question. Whether intended or not, this is a common trolling method. "Hi guys, I'm one of you, but what about this question here, doesn't that make you wonder?"

Until Pedal starts showing some interest in actually participating in the debate and addressing very good points that were brought up, he will likely be treated as a troll.

Traditionally, the formula of this type of troll when cornered is to claim personal attack, decry the appostate community as just what the witnesses warned them, then make a grandious farewell post as they return to the true light. We are supposed to be filled with regret and remorse that our callous nature served to help out the Watchtower organization's goals.

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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder

by Intel in

i am now sitting at home.

my wife left with my little child.

my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.

Paralipomenon

For what it's worth, I'd suggest not trying to explain why you left to every person that calls. It can be emotionally draining to have friend after friend spout propaganda at you before finally turning their back and walking away.

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untitled

by dgp in

in "the ayn rand lexicon, objectivism from a to z"(http://www.amazon.com/ayn-rand-lexicon-objectivism-library/dp/0452010519/ref=sr_1_1?ie=utf8&qid=1308711714&sr=8-1, i found this (pages 248 - 249);.

it is a grave error to suppose that a dictatorship rules a nation by means of strict, rigid laws which are obeyed and enforced with rigorous, military precision.

such a rule would be evil, but almost bearable: men could endure the harshest edicts, provided these edicts were known, specific and stable; it is not the known that breaks men's spirits, but the unpredictable.

Paralipomenon

Revolution doesn't get sparked by poor living conditions. There are many places where you can barely call the life they have, living, but it is all they know. Revolution is sparked by the people losing something they once had.

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What is PURE EVIL?

by jam in

who on your list would be a person of pure evil.. if the guy have a screw loose then he can not be.

held accountable.

evil vs pure evil, what,s the.

Paralipomenon

I think there are many people that have done horrible things that are listed as pure evil, but I'd guess many of them are insane. People who genuinely feel they are in the right.

It's the ones that know they are wrong and do horrible things anyways that qualify for me as pure evil.

An example is that guy that imprisoned and abused his own daughter under his house for years. That, to me, is an example of pure evil.

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Convention without a 'Badge'

by IMHO in

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friends

i attended a convention recently but didn't wear a badge i was treated with the utmost suspicion.

particularly when i arrived during the sessions one day.

the attendant didn't want me wandering off to find a seat on my own.

Paralipomenon

3) Bring a green bible and pink song book.

heh, love it.

"muh bibul haz a din-o-sour in it!"

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FADERS: How determined are you?

by VampireDCLXV in

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friends

after being here on jwn for a while, one does see a spectrum of sorts.

there are people here in various stages of their exit from their lives as jws.

some are full fledged kh and fs attendees whom we call "the conscious class".

Paralipomenon

How determined are you to never return to life as a JW?

Once you've looked behind the curtain, you can't forget what you've seen.

Do you still miss old JW "friends"?

Not really. I never really enjoyed their company. When I was full in, I didn't like the hypocracy of how they skirted with "the world", now I'm out I don't like how they skirt with "the truth"

Do you miss the company of JW relatives?

I'm very disappointed in my parents. They were very involved with their grandchildren, then just turned it off. I regret not having a normal family, but the best I can hope for is to break the cycle and be better parents than they are.

Do even the smallest of thoughts that maybe, just maybe, the JWs are right about some things, still haunt the darkest corners of you mind?

Not even a little bit

Do you still have the occasional nightmare about dying during the big A?

Never.

So I ask faders here again: how far along are you in your exit and are you doubting yourself?

I have faded to the point that I don't know if I'm DF'd or not and could really care less if I was.