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  GB Application Form (Only the Most Narrow Minded Bigots Need Apply)

  by frankiespeakin in

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  governing body application form.

  page 1. do you believe we are living in the last days mentioned in mathew 24, luke 21, mark 13, 2tim.

  ?do you beleive the governing body are the only ones who can interpet the bible correctly?do you ever have any doubts in decisions made by the governing body?is there even the smallest chance you might change your mind about wether or not we are living in the last days?if someone inside of the organization said anything negative about the governing body would you turn them in for rebellion against the the organization?do you read faithfully every day god's word the bible along with publications provided the faithful and discrete slave?have you ever had even the slightest doubts about god's word the bible or the organization he is using?do you currently have a masturbation that keeps flaring up?have you ever been reproved or disfellowshipped?are you one of the few remaining 144,000 annointed ones?

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  metaspy

  So, I would conclude that you were given an application at one time?
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  GB Application Form (Only the Most Narrow Minded Bigots Need Apply)

  by frankiespeakin in

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  governing body application form.

  page 1. do you believe we are living in the last days mentioned in mathew 24, luke 21, mark 13, 2tim.

  ?do you beleive the governing body are the only ones who can interpet the bible correctly?do you ever have any doubts in decisions made by the governing body?is there even the smallest chance you might change your mind about wether or not we are living in the last days?if someone inside of the organization said anything negative about the governing body would you turn them in for rebellion against the the organization?do you read faithfully every day god's word the bible along with publications provided the faithful and discrete slave?have you ever had even the slightest doubts about god's word the bible or the organization he is using?do you currently have a masturbation that keeps flaring up?have you ever been reproved or disfellowshipped?are you one of the few remaining 144,000 annointed ones?

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  metaspy

  Interesting. I have never even heard of a GB Application Form.
  Where would one pick this up? Assemblies, Conventions, tour of Brooklyn Bethel?
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  If you grew up in a divided home, post your experiences here please.

  by jambon1 in

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  how did you view your unbelieving parent?

  how did you view the contrasting interests of your unbelieving parent?

  did your jw parent have the greater influence on you?

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  metaspy

  My dad was not a JW, but he stuck around for 7 or 8 years.
  He did not like celebrating holidays by himself, so he left and found someone who would celebrate them.
  My mom was big on not saying bad things about my dad. She said, "eventually you will see what is the true personality."
  
  However, I did not have good experiences with my dad. He was very unreasonable. He could only see his point (of course it had no flaws). Somehow, I seem to be coming to his conclusions - 15 years later. Strange.
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  Ron Frye's book on Elder Confidentiality

  by Confession in

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  i'm still making my way through what is an excellent book by ron frye, former jw and c.o.

  i found one of his comments interesting.

  on page 68 he speaks affectionately of his wife mavis.... "i especially depended on her because she was observant and discerning.

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  metaspy

  I am not an Elder, but I did know of Elders in my previous congregation that would do that. The reason I know this - their wives did not have confidentiality. Hence, whatever you told him became public knowledge regardless of how confidential it WAS.
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  Will Lack of Leadership Sink the JW Ship?

  by Seeker4 in

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  i see serious problems with the leadership of the witnesses on two important levels: locally, in smaller bodies of elders with marginally qualified men carrying heavier workloads, and internationally in a lackluster and unimaginative governing body.

  there are no nathan knorrs, or fred or ray franz's in this pathetic group!

  first, the local elders: .

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  metaspy

  I recently moved, so I will comment on both congregations. :-D
  
  Cong #1: Elders: 8, Outstanding: 2 (one is 86), Mediocre: 4, Space-takers: 0, Better off without: 2
  
  Cong #2: Elders: 6, Outstanding: 0, Mediocre: 4, Space-takers: 1, Better off without: 1
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  Poll:What is the "average" age of people's baptism in the org?

  by megsmomma in

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  i was 14....and that seems pretty common for those that were in it young....... .

  how in the world is a 14 year old ready to commit themselves to anything life altering?.

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  metaspy

  I was baptised at 14
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

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  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  metaspy

  AuldSoul,
  Yes I see where you are going with the influenced - Jehovah's decision to allow Job to be tested was influenced (since he probably would not have put Job through such a test without Satan's prompting).
  
  Point 3 is very pertinent to the three questions I asked you. You will immediately see why. If you believe their standards should be used to determine at least whether they are the organization God is using, do they measure up on point #3, or not?
  No. WBTS does not measure up in "basing all its teachings and standards on the Bible". It falls short on many occasions. If you use their list, then there isn't an earthly organization.
  
  Jesus did not tell Satan to "get lost". At any point. Maybe you are thinking of what he said to Peter?
  Agapa37 already mentioned Matt 4:10 - "Go away Satan!", which was what I was thinking of when I wrote that. I should have quoted it the first time. Sorry.
  
  I think before you decide you would not be disfellowshipped you might want to ask a local elder. Perhaps you could frame it in the form of a hypothetical question, not related to Jesus.
  I might do that. But considering I have very little faith in what elders have to say, I will probably just do my own research.
  
  I thank you for the intriguing discussion,
  Metaspy
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  If you could turn back time, how far would you crank the hands of time?

  by avidbiblereader in

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  how far in your life would you turn back time and why?

  what would you hope to change?.

  abr.

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  metaspy

  May 1, 2001 - it was the start of bad things in my life. if I could go back to then...
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  What Part of No Tresspassing Do They Not Understand?

  by fxdwg97 in

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  we had a knock on our door this morning, as we were having breakfast.

  i opened the door thinking it was the neighbor, because today is his wife's suprise birthday party.

  i was suprised to see two young men carrying bookbags.

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  metaspy

  It is not standard to ignore no trespassing signs.
  WBTS specifically tells us not to do houses with No Tresspassing signs.
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
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  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  metaspy

  First off, let me apologize for the double post.
  I finished my other reply, then realized that AuldSoul had asked further questions.
  I felt the first response was crowded enough. Sorry.
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  Before I start let's take a look at the status of most of the JWs who come here - fading. Metaspy included.
  I defended against your other question because you used an illogical argument. There are not going to be straight forward scriptures for these questions. Plus, I am not one to make up something to defend an idea I do not believe whole-heartedly. (sorry agapa37 if you thought you would see metaspy come in for round 3 swinging)
  
  (1) Where can I find the Scriptures that teach that the faithful and discreet slave is a "class" of people that comprises the conduit for God's spirit to direct his "spirit-directed organization" and has the resonsibility of interpreting and revealing "new light" to the "other sheep," who could not possibly get this light from any other source?
  I will admit that the scriptures do not specify what the faithful and discrete slave is comprised of. Nor do the scriptures describe what the "food at the proper time" would be.
  
  (2) Where can I find the Scriptures that teach that elders can convene private trials that cannot be recorded and judge ones undeserving of God's favor on behalf of and instead of the congregation, the details of which judgments and trials will never be made known to the congregation?
  none
  
  (3) Where can I find the Scriptures that teach that regular meeting attendance, Bible study, regularity in publishing the good news, a specific prayer of dedication to God, and undergoing a question and answer test are required for Christian baptism?
  While not specifically for baptism, the Bible does encourage: reading God's word(joshua 1:8), getting together with other christians (Heb. 10:24,25), praying on a regular basis(1 Thes. 5:17), preaching and teaching(Matt 28:19,20). However, you already knew that. You were asking why the WTS makes rules as to who can get baptised and what hoops they have to jump through, without scriptural proof.
  Hence the true answer is - none.
  
  What is your conclusion?
  This one is tougher. I have seen some great things happen to people because they changed their lives to conform to the lifestyle of JWs. I helped study (I covered for the other brother) with one man who never would have even looked at the Bible if it weren't for JWs studying with him.
  On the other hand, I have seen the pain that comes from the elder's personal decisions in matters that did not concern them. I have been personally hurt by elders/COs rules. The points you brought out too - hypocrisy, rule making (much like pharasees), judging.
  
  it is hard to make a straight forward decision, so many factors...
  I do not condemn your decision, for someday it may become my own.