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A Bible Question, please comment

by restrangled in

there will have to be assumptions involved here.....that god exists, the bible is the word of god and creation is as stated in genesis, etc.

etc.. in the old testament, god seemed pretty straight forward, let certain people know (and not by osmosis) his intent.

backed certain kings, and showed power through physical occurrences over and over again.. along comes his son, who died for the entire race as a ransom for adam's sin.

RAF

Chosing Life : Jesus gave his life so that no one would be in slavery of any sort......not to religion, not to Governments etc.
Restangle : you need to look elsewhere for answers other than the Bible. Look closely at nature and deep inside yourself.
I'd say AMEN to both (since to me God is all - and by that inside ourself too)

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Godspeed, Sweet Lady

by SixofNine in

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(i guess i'm posting the following blog i came across because i spent plenty of time in the past holding contempt for the caricature of a human that was tammy faye baker.

i like being shown another pov.

i also like being surprised by christians... it's such a rare occurance).

RAF

I didn't know the gal but this surely talks a lot for her :
But what really set me straight about Tammy-Faye’s true Christian spirit was her response to a viewer on a call-in show. The caller was perplexed as to how to deal with her gay son, who she was about to disown due to his sinful lifestyle. Tammy-Faye’s answer: “I can’t think of a single sin that Jesus would find harder to forgive than a parent who chooses not to love and support their own child.”

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A Bible Question, please comment

by restrangled in

there will have to be assumptions involved here.....that god exists, the bible is the word of god and creation is as stated in genesis, etc.

etc.. in the old testament, god seemed pretty straight forward, let certain people know (and not by osmosis) his intent.

backed certain kings, and showed power through physical occurrences over and over again.. along comes his son, who died for the entire race as a ransom for adam's sin.

RAF

what would any parents want for kids : To grow up (so it's all spiritual in this matter)
As you stated yourself (according to the OT) having a God protecting or punishing right now (having a double standard attitude to the point t be mean regarding to his agenda) doesn't lead anywhere if you don't take into consideration the agenda in question (and what it shows at the end).
The jews didn't grow up (more or less than others). In having a purpose (to get to some point - the arrival of Christ with hints along the way as propheties, what shows the OT is that the kind of God that most people want is not worthy : it doesn't allow us to grow up and being wiser without being perfect - that's why according to the gospel neither laws or acts do count - it just ask to have discernement in following Jesus spirituality as example and as a son of God) even propheties doesn't help (obviously).
About the NT (the Gospel) cheatears who just want it, knows how to attract nor push people to follow them ... they are willing to put more means (attractive to scary stuff) to get their, more than honest people. When there is something to win you always have people who will get into it (cheaters and their victimes) so obviously this would have take place in any kind of stuff ... so it happened here too ... the bible is actually full of hints to see what the cheaters would use to fool people ... you even have to read some stuff in reverse for it to make sens (and it does to me) for instance why Peter instead of John to be the shepard ... the best shepard you have to want him (and it's Christ) Peter was only supposed to bring people to the word (but only that in fact) all christian religious do that ... but then you have to care about who is the master ... it's not for the style that Christ ask 3 times : Peter do you love me ? (the message is more for us - get a clue about who really loves and recognise me for what I really am)
So this book is full of thinks that cheater can use (for them wanting to spread the word), but if you really search the truth I guess their is at least a chance to find out that they are cheaters (that's the first step) and then if you want to, you focus on Christ ... and oh (that's what it did to me) things become quiet clear.
For instance regarding to the catolic's who said that Peter will have a successor on earth, who said till when he would have the key ? and more over which real important have this key at the end after death? why would someon wise put such power into a human hands ? ...You can make the same kind of statements to question JW's postulate about the GB.

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What happens to Christ after he subjects himself to God?

by esw1966 in

1 cor 15:28 - when he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that god may be all in all.

what happens to jesus at this point?

if he is part of a trinity, does he meld into god and disappear?

RAF

(To me)
It seems to say that when everything will be in order (ok) their will be no reason to keep separated any kind of essence as spirit in God since the conscience/wisdom (in fact the most valuable part of the essence of God) = Christ had to be separed while working on the whole to have the right perspective and stay perfect (not polluted) to preserve what is adhering to his phylosophy (that's why we don't have to be perfect since we can't - we just need to adhere as volonteer = we have to want it otherwise it would be a rape against our free will) ... at the end he will really share himself into the whole preserved.

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if you could...

by return visitor in

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meet one person from this forum that you have only communicated with through the forum or pming who would it be and why.

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i'll start off, i would like to meet purplesofa because she seems very thoughtfull, and alway tries to see the possitive and best in others..

RAF

Everyone (I'm curious = what will I found out different than what I can feel in reading them)
But to name a few : TyronVL (seems genuine, nice, special), Sparkplug and a lot of girls that It would be to long to liste their names and why here and I migh forget a few names (which all seems very interesting), Twich (the more I read him and the more I like him), the other guys knows I want to meet them one day (cause I told them) like Prolog for instance and I want to namely add AlanF (because I've always liked him - it's like I need to meet him one day) ... All those for very specific personnal reasons

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accuracy of the NWT

by TIMBOB in

my po stopped me today.

he usually does, seems like a nice guy.

anyways, he hands me these sheets of paper and said "i thought you might find these interesting".

RAF

And to go further on the matter :
That's also why christ is God's wisdom (somehow it's maturity in every sense) and that is what is asked to be recognised and have faith in (= Christ = his wisdom = his doctrine as christian or not or then you're an appostate but only then - the real baptisme is not the water one Eph 4: 4-5 and Mat 3:11).
I Cor 1 : 21 (what)
American standard version
21. For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom knew not God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
NWT version
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing.
Which explain the need of discernment (what is expressed even in readind in between the lines) it have to make sens globally or there is a problem in the understanding regardind to the goal (why this have been written - and it shouldn't lead to be slaves for salvation but free as salvation by wisdom = Christ to resume) ...
I Cor 2 : 7-8 (who = the sacred secret)
American standard version
7.but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, [even] the [wisdom] that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory: 8.which none of the rulers of this world hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:
NWT version
7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord.

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What YOUR bottom line ? What's your take?

by fedorE in

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how do you feel?

i would like to know what exactly do you expect will happen in relation to the jehovahs witness organization.

for eg: "e-watchman" thinks its always been the truth and yhwh will clean house.

RAF

To me all religions will fail at the end (this one include : they are all the great slut ... LOL don't remember the propper term) ... people will get enough (at the end) with their bullshit masked being a supposed spirituality. "The light get brighter" little by little "nothing can stay hidden" ...

Christianity is not a question of religion it's in fact more a phylosophy (to me)

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accuracy of the NWT

by TIMBOB in

my po stopped me today.

he usually does, seems like a nice guy.

anyways, he hands me these sheets of paper and said "i thought you might find these interesting".

RAF

To complete the idea
There is a reason why Christ does talk like a son to a father when in Jesus position (cause he is in fact our father - regarding the Tegragrammation and the verses aboves - and more) :
As Jesus he give an example as a man and spiritually will still have to recognise the greatest in the tiniest (all those which gives God more importance than Christ - which is actually it's maturity which make the Yod alive even its conscience to be alive (when we are not conscious even alive like in coma we don't know that we are alive do still exist) is the vav. (if you talk for instance to God as Yod (whitout taking in consideration Christ you talk to everything back to "If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also" he is in fact the way what is true in the kind of God / vav that people are thinking about and the way) ... It takes those who care more about what is bigger at there own game.
Also : That's why he is the word/the verb (what answers the questions = conscience and the need = action). just like our own conscience (somehow the product of ) our experience talks to us and lead us to act/react.

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accuracy of the NWT

by TIMBOB in

my po stopped me today.

he usually does, seems like a nice guy.

anyways, he hands me these sheets of paper and said "i thought you might find these interesting".

RAF

If I say IF he is defending the NWT from JW's point of view on the TETRAGRAMMATION and Jesus position
Think about this
Y : Yod (essence / Potential)
H : he (fecondity)
W : Wav - Vav (capacity / action)
H : He (at the end) = (realisation)
It's not really a name it's the concept of God - Actually you dont need to know more than that to understand what can be wrong or right regarding to the stranslation in this matter
that's why you can translate it both way :I make to become = I am (the basis of existance)
But what makes things to become for anything to be able to say I am (I do existe) the vav and who is the vav in the the TETRAGRAMMATION ?
I Cor 8:6
American Standard Version
".yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him."
New world translation
6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
it does actually means the same ...
God named by YHWH is a process which lead to existence (you can see God as a person but that wouldn't be God !!!)
Confirmation about the idea that God (the Yod in the tetragrammation regarding to the vav is the essence of everything (bigger in this sense) :
Eph 4 : 4-6
American Standard Version
4.[There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 5.one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6.one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
New world translation
One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.
All this explain the order of the personifications in he following quote and from who everything comes alive (so the son can't be a creation but a creature = a result = maturity after fecondity which gives the capacity) :
John 1:1-3
American Standard Version
1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2.The same was in the beginning with God.3. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
New world translation
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
All this also explain Jesus answer to the precious question :
John 14: 6-9
American Standard Version
6.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7.If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8.Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9.Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
New world translation
6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him: “Have I been with YOU men so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

(even with the also added it still means the same = the way you see me right now)
then this something became incoherent here
Philipian 2:5-6
American Standard Version
5.Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6.who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with Goda thing to be grasped,7. but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
8. and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
New world translation (totally incoherent)
5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.

Eddited to add : their own version admit that at least he was existinig in Gods forms
So any can want to give the WT - NWT version some credit but when you scrutenize the details (just regarding the main thing) they are incohérent or make sur that their translation can validate their postulate ...
So if this guy is an expert ... it's very interesting to know that he wants to support their version

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The things I see (This last weeks photos)

by Sparkplug in

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and wanted to share.

all day long on weekends, lunch, breaks and such there are moments that calm me.

silly stuff.

I'm in love with the first pic it worth to become a Poster, and the one you did of the salon looks very professional (they could use it for adverstizing or to illustrate any article about them) Bravo !!!