My longer relationship = 11 years - we weren't living in the same house and I knew somehow since our 4 years that it wouldn't last forever - it was just comfortable to be with someone I had a lot in comon with and shared a lot with already - because I also knew that otherwise I would only go for a guy to another PFFFFF not really interesting, I had more interesting thing to be attracted to).
Since then I'm attracted to people who are leaving very far away ... go figure ! ... I'm not ready to be anyone's wife and maybe will never be. But like anyone else I need to give and get some love though (it just have to be sincere at the moment - to be valuable - whatever will break it up ...). I still wonder what I can really give in this kind of relationship on the long run ... I'm used to live in the moment ... Tomorrow is ... Tomorrow
So to me anything by now in this area is 100 % dedicated to end up as soon as one of us is over about it (or bugging about it). There is nothing to fight for by then (but friendship if possible).
But moreover I've never fell like to be granted neither the one I love. I've realised that at some point I've considered my boyfriends just like lets say "brothers" ... I want them happy with or without me, but certainly not with me if it doesn't make him AND me happy. That doesn't mean I don't want to deal with bulls, but I don't want to deal with unuseful bulls ...
Anyway I do think that dedicated forever relationship are for :
- Partners = who needs security somehow (they think about it - it's important to them - they can't really stay alone) it's like replacing one or both of your parents or brothers/sisters ... It can work
- Soul mates = who are really good matches (it's alchimic they don't even have to think about it, it just works well). those are the couples who will be able to go trought anything !!! the other one have nothing to compare to any other and nothing will be able to replace him/her ... it just works
but I do also think that there are people who are not dedicated to be in a forever relationship (= oustiders) they don't need security and they don't need to be loved (the way the others need it) call them lonesome, it just works that way for them, being someone else's partner is just not their main purpose in life, but they can be good and real soulmates for a while (share a moment with someone else in life just because the connection is right at the moment).
I feel like an outsider by now ... and well tomorrow is another day (never say never).
It's like having kids (I don't believe in the fact that everybody wants to bread) for some people it's just not the purpose of their life (even if it happens by accident for instance).
= Different paths/solutions for differents birds.
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30You have had 3 Bad Relationships in a row.......your next one
by new boy inwill be............ 90% bad 10% good?.
75% bad 25% good?.
50% bad 50% good?.
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The great debate
by darth frosty incoming up, i remember how the jw heavies would brag how back in the day (the 30's and 40's) witnesses would have debates against various religous leaders on matters of faith.
they claimed the reasons the debates ceased, was they used to whip the religious leaders so bad, it became pointless.
as we all know today, witlesses want no part of an earnest deabate with any one.
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I know Juni
but if you really want to know who I would like to get :
No wonder it would be Abbadon (because he his smart as hell full of knowlegdes and moreover because he seems to never give up) so that would be to bother them as much as they would like to bother me ... so I could have more fun than what the elders thought they would have in bothering me.
Now I could also like to have Narkissos and Leolaia they are quiet the same. (because of their knowlegdes on the matter and hey seems to have a huge self control hability). They do not really give you their answers as the truth, they give you their knowlegdes (then you deal with it)
Anyway Alan F have always my favorite whatever he says I'm in love ... LOL ... I miss him here (even If I know that now we might not agree on everything like with Abbadon by the way) they are also quiet the same ...
But truly I would not go anyway ... It would be a waist of time
ok got to go now ... read you soon folks !
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Songs that reference JWs
by Nosferatu indo you know of any songs that reference jws?
i know there's the obvious "joanie the jehovah witness stripper", but do you know of any others?
i know a couple:.
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Basement Jaxx : YO YO (what's in red)
You were a prophet from above
Then you came and sucked my blood
now that's for those who left JWlandMy pain became my strenght
I am reborne I'm def not dumb
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Women Fall In Love With What They Hear.......
by new boy inmen in what they see..............true or false?
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Sensitive to words maybe (it still needs to look sincere) ... but fall in love because of words that's a bit too much (depends on who said those words, in which circumstances and why)
Men as women get interested in what they see, it's just natural (you can easely get interested in what please your eyes) but then fall in love because of it NO ... it's not enough.
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The great debate
by darth frosty incoming up, i remember how the jw heavies would brag how back in the day (the 30's and 40's) witnesses would have debates against various religous leaders on matters of faith.
they claimed the reasons the debates ceased, was they used to whip the religious leaders so bad, it became pointless.
as we all know today, witlesses want no part of an earnest deabate with any one.
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I wouldn't even go to the JC ... what is that and who are they really ?
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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?
by Terry inwho was the injured party?
in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".
adam and eve ate of it.
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Who is Martin Luther (GOD?/CHRIST?) a know it all?
Christianity? Which one? conservatives or Gnostics (they really don't see the whole thing the same way) but it seems that most of people only know about the conservatives view/belief (there was a time conservatives were killing the Gnostics who did believe in Christ philosophically) that's why the Gnostics view has been forgotten for a long time (but who was right when you think about what Christ means? Gnostics didn't kill the conservatives because they thought that they were wrong in there belief - talking about a reason to kill !!!) ...
But lets skip that … I was about to answer Rayvin but in getting back into the main purpose of this story (to me of course)
What if an engineer builds computer/robot which has a spirit able to make choices by himself which is related to what is important to it or not which is related to its feelings which are related to its personal values that any set up from their own desire/choice related to their experience (because feelings is not only related to personal desire) that’s why personal experience means a lot in the equation.What would be the only way for the engineer to limit the bulls from those robots in giving each one a chance to prove it is worthy for every robots and itself at the same time (since they are supposed to live together), if not giving it a few important notions of love (and hate for instance among other things) by experience (that it will be sensible to or not / accept or reject since it have free will) and having a switch off button nor set a limit on aging?
Now if we are those robots (with a spirit) do we want our free will taken from us? I guess it would be hard to give it up. Nothing would be about our personal choice (and therefore not really our personal feelings too) since it’s not based on “personal” values. Just knowing it would be a spiritual death (no choice even just thinking for ourselves - everything would be programmedthen we would be just tools).
Well according to the bible (that you can believe in or not – your choice) we are in this position. If we can't share the right way to be good for others and ourselves (by repercussion) we can just play a selfish game till we will be switched on off. Since I truly think it’s possible to be happy all together – Ego/Selfisheness putted aside – we just have to understand and apply charity for good – so it’s not as if something impossible is asked here ... it’s just a discipline (which is philosophical and not dictatorial). I mean if you believe in God would you like him to give you freedom or be your dictator?
If you read the bible in the first degree (you God is a dictator)so the writers would have been a bit twisted when talking about God’s love …
I’ve read in this thread that god is responsible for us being how we are and having to live what can be a quiet hard life … Maybe there are people who haven't appreciate a single thing since they've been alive till there death ... but death is not something hard to get (today for instance: get the right pills and fall asleep if you want it smooth - and make sure nobody will find you before it's over - or fly from a 20 floors building - or take a train full speed in your face to make it quick).
Now asking the engineer to switch off anyone since his first bull ... where is the experience which can lead to understanding and where is the mean to get there with free will? it's like asking him to finish the experience before it can have its effect !!!
We will all die (so did Adam and Eve in the story) nobody said (in the story that they are switched off forever as spirits.
This story truly talks about responsibility of the consequences of any choice (whether you have the right idea or not about the consequences) and to be honest what they have done in this story in being naïve (they didn't know about the good and bad - so how can they be responsible for good and for all?) … They were not more than kids at this level (of course since they didn't know about the good and the bad) means responsible of what they did but just that and just because nobody told them that they have to do it absolutely) but are they responsible for Cain for instance? Or for whatever we have done wrong?
Death for Adam and Eve as an eternal condemnation IS UNFAIR so even more for there kids (put it the way you want it stays unfair if it’s for good and for real – They didn’t Know – they were kids which disobey for the very first time in being attracted by something which was blinking (being like God – EGO based) – and it’s not because the babies had lots of toys (the paradise) which was able to satisfy them, that they wouldn’t question anything with time going on (curiosity is just natural / but Ego is related to your personal values - but what do you know about the wrong part of the Ego without experience) a baby is a baby when you have no idea about the good and the bad it is not because mom said you’re going to die if you touch this that you’re not going to be attracted by something which is blinking – so thenwho is to blame ? The one who left something blinking? That sounds logical but the problem here is that what is blinking (the tree) is our capacity to have free will (it’s related to us by nature) THIS TREE WITH IT’S FRUITS IS IN OUR PERSONAL GARDEN. No tree in your personal garden = no choice / no free will … if this tree is not in your personal garden you are a robot.
Again it’s all my opinion of course!!!
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WHO IS THE INJURED PARTY? What is wrong with this doctrine?
by Terry inwho was the injured party?
in the garden of eden when both adam and his wife, eve rebelled against instructions from their landlord, jehovah.. "in the day you eat of it (the fruit) you shall surely die.".
adam and eve ate of it.
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Let's talk about symbolisms (shortly)
If any want to take this account literraly, nothing says how hold Adam and Eve were when they sined and why they didn't have kids before (but realised that if they did - and that's why they didn't of course - God would maybe have two kinds of kids to deal with (sometimes kids can be wiser if they just listening the right bell) on the same earth and it would have been a whole other story, but it just can’t be an other story because of what this story really means.
Anyway in this story they were naïve and they didn't know everything (including the good and the bad - just like babys)
Now why would any (in being them) after they sined, hide their nudity since they were only two of them as a couple?(Do you think that something told them that for instance angels could get horny while they didn't before Adam and Eve sined and that it is not the angels who sined first or it's all about and just satan? Which have an other meaning = influence on the Ego (and only your ego can influence your Ego (but that’s an other topic just very related to this story).
Well to me it's all about symbolisms ...
The reality (to me regarding this symbolic story) is that we've all experienced that at some point (when you are a baby you don't care being nude - but later you know how naughty some people can feel about it and then you hide your body (or you show it LOL).
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How Important is Sex in a Marriage/Relationship?
by avidbiblereader ini believe it is very important but i also heard it said.
"sex only plays as much importance in marriage for how long it takes".. how important is it to you in your marriage/relationship?.
is it only better when all things are going smooth, do you use sex to get what you want or use it as a tool for punishment?.
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It's important when he or I need some ... (means somehow it is important to be able to answers needs - and that's the most interesting part of the sex game = knowing that you please him).
Though, I'm not sure orgasme is a need (it happens or not, it's big or smoother) I did appreciate sex way before to have my first orgasme (after 6 months or so relationship - and it was weird to me the first time by the way - I was wondering: what is that ? you have no controle over it - but I fell asleep while thinking about it ... LOL ... I guess it took all my energy that first time and well it's not my best sexual experience - good but not the best even from my experience with him) the next day my ex asked me, what happened? I said : I don't know, I was just tetanised.
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I'm going back..................
by Warlock ini have made a decision.
a very difficult one, indeed.. i'm going back to the truth.
i figure i can probably get 10-15 hours of service in a month and be appointed an ms in about 3 years and elder about 3 years after that.. if i can also pioneer, i'm sure that will speed up the process.
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Spirituality allow to laugh - there is a time for everything (Paul made me laugh a lot - when before he was getting on my nerves with the GB quoting him with their interpretations of what he was saying).
Also I've realised that at Gana's wed when it's not obvious in the French version of the answer of Jesus to Mary, what he is really saying is humor : it means "what? Geeeeees you already put me on the job" (since if I do remember well it's the first miracle he was about to do) / in the french version of the NWT his answer almost looks like an insult to his mother like he was saying (you woman are not allowed to bother me).
Even when Jesus is talking to the Jews about the Pharises (LOL) since they were present (errr ... you guys listen to them - means see I'm not firing you buggers - but get the slap you need to get - also to the Jews it meant with those ridles get the point about what is what).
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I'm going back..................
by Warlock ini have made a decision.
a very difficult one, indeed.. i'm going back to the truth.
i figure i can probably get 10-15 hours of service in a month and be appointed an ms in about 3 years and elder about 3 years after that.. if i can also pioneer, i'm sure that will speed up the process.
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