Posts by Marcel

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IYO, what r the most problematic scripture(s) for dubs?...or lack there of

by *jeremiah* in

hey everyone,...in your opinion, (1) what scripture or passages in the bible completely go against jdub doctrine?

scriptures that the dubs really can't answer or really can't fit into their equation,...thus, they go unnoticed or avoided.

(2) or,...what scriptural proof should be in the bible to back their doctrinal claims.

Marcel

ANewLeif,

yes, i think you're right. the problem i see is just that i know how to react to those arguments as a JW. there IS a view to see things different but still somehow convincing. none of the arguments could *impress* an active JW much. no showstopper. they just have an answer which is enough for them to sort the argument out. even if the answer sounds weired to an outsider.

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IYO, what r the most problematic scripture(s) for dubs?...or lack there of

by *jeremiah* in

hey everyone,...in your opinion, (1) what scripture or passages in the bible completely go against jdub doctrine?

scriptures that the dubs really can't answer or really can't fit into their equation,...thus, they go unnoticed or avoided.

(2) or,...what scriptural proof should be in the bible to back their doctrinal claims.

Marcel

>> Today you will be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43) A thief is invited to join Jesus in Heaven "today"
thats a translation thing. jw belief jesus said this: "43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”" In fact the original greek scripture dont indicate which version is correct. JW saying in context with other verses which seperate father and son the comma needs to be this way.

>> The rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) Heaven and hell. How did Lazarus get transported to Heaven?
this is in jw mind a illustration because it is in oppose to other simpler statements regarding the dead.

>> Jesus' visit with Moses and Elijah (Luke 9:28-36, Matthew 17:1-13; Mark 9:2-13) If Moses and Elijah were asleep in death waiting for the resurrection, who met with Jesus on the mountain?
this was a image to show the apostles that jesus was really the important figure (like moses and elijah). in fact both were dead and werent there in person.

>> Another one. The JW's claim they only celebrate the holiday Jesus commanded, that is the Memorial of his death. But they completely fail to memorialize another ritual, the foot-washing ceremony. He told the disciples to "14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. 15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Why don't the JW's of today do it?
the foot washing ceremony wasnt part of the new covenant. and the foot washing was a symbol for servants and that nobodys standing above any other. a lesson in humbleness. not a ritual.

>> Matthew 28:19, 20 ... if each individual Christian should preach and teach, then each individual Christian should also baptize.
this text can be understood twice. i dont see a major reason why every SINGLE jw needs to baptize someone to gain salvation. pretty unpracticle to. it means every new member would need to wait for a new member to baptize. like a chain letter. too much problems to understand it this way.

>> The book of Acts is full of references to what JWs now call "interfaith." The Christians went into the temples and synagogues all the time, listening and teaching.
a JW isnt forbidden to preach to unfaithful people, better: its their duty. but they have to care of their own spirtual health too. witnesses preach to the people where they are. nearly noone is at the center of false religion all day long. no need for the risk.

>> "Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10-11 ASV
Cant see the problem? since jehovah created jesus and constructed the plan to save mankind hes the only savior. even jesus couldnt do anything without jehovah.

>> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." John 1:1 NWT
its written "a god" and not just "god" which makes the difference. jesus is not referenced as god himself, but only with a godly title. since other passages rule out that father and son are one person this has to be meant this way.

>> "Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13
cant see the problem with jw doctrines.

to put it short: if a jw doesnt WANT to doubt he wouldnt do it. the same visceversa: if an outsider doesnt want to believe he wont.

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Women's intuition

by looking_glass in

i have always said as women we down play our intuition, when we should rely on it more.

words i should have lived by.. several years ago i dated a guy for 2 years.

he lived in the burbs and i was in the city.

Marcel

thats human intuition not womens ;) lol. no, seriously i dont wanna judge which gender is better in intuition, but i know that my male intuition is incredible accurate often ;D but maybe thats because im male and dont know true intuition lol ;D

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Maybe I should go back and be a good little dubbie again!!

by AK - Jeff in

i believe that i am experiencing a profound change in my personality, and those changes are at a stage where i have honestly contemplated this recently.

honestly.. i don't think i could ever do it - anyone who has followed me on the boards here know that i am neither suicidal nor an apologist for that lot.

yet, having been off work for a few weeks now with surgical recovery, i have had time to make assessment of my future.

Marcel

hi ak jeff!

seriously, your story moves me to tears. im 26 and im already in a similar situation. i dont know how to make friends outside. in fact i dont wanna really. i feel very comfortable with other witnesses even though i dont believe the doctrines. its just i AM one of THEM somehow! i was never 100% sure of doctrines but i washed them away in my brain and did what was expected of me (and sometimes felt even joy with it).

with worldy people i have very lil' in common. no jw jokes, celebration of pagan things i dont long for, other attitude at all. i dont long for worldy peoples friendship very much.

and even if i find very good ones i still lose
- all my friends i know since i was a infant and child. most of them i would trust so much that i would givem all i have to take care of without being nervous. noone can replace my family, my parents, my sisters. my wife.

i would love to make friends with local people who are in the same situation as me. but where to find if not to steal? i even dont feel like going to apostate-meetings yet.

marcel

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Have the dubs got their May 1st WT yet??

by cultswatter in

some dubs have got the may 15 wt but not the may 1st wt.

when the dubs finally get the may 1st wt will they even notice the 1935 doctrine changes??.

anyway, have they got the may 1st wt yet?.

Marcel

im very sad. every jw i talked to about this QFR says "i can find no real change there" or those who know my slightly critical attitude get angry when i ask them whether they read it already (weired... its no apostate literature, its just the latest spiritual food! lol). its working again. we reinvent the truth and noone notices and his happy about the "better explanation". all other presumptions about that topic came just from the inability of the average witness. the society knew it best since all eternity and only printed a better explanation now. lol.

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WT Approved Grounds For Divorce

by IsaacJS2 in

i was hoping to confirm something for an article i'm working on.

i was told that the only acceptable grounds for divorce are adultery and a husband failing to support his wife financially.

i don't believe apostasy counts, does it?

Marcel

incredible! i never knew that homosexuality wasnt porneia once. poor poor girls and boys who were married to a homosexual in the 70's.

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Happy Friday 13th! Are you superstitious about anything?

by Crumpet in

a friend kindly pointed out it was friday 13th!!!

now i am not normally superstitious about anything, but i try and avoid going out on a full moon and am not overly keen on friday 13th.

i know its irrational but hey - i'm female (sorry that was a bad joke)!.

Marcel

im not superstitious at all.

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Have the dubs got their May 1st WT yet??

by cultswatter in

some dubs have got the may 15 wt but not the may 1st wt.

when the dubs finally get the may 1st wt will they even notice the 1935 doctrine changes??.

anyway, have they got the may 1st wt yet?.

Marcel

yap, i holding in in my hands since last week (glued to my fingers lol).

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Why is Jehovah's Witness considered the measuring stick?

by avidbiblereader in

when we discuss scriptural teachings, christian conduct, morals, ect... why is jehovah's witnesses considered the measuring stick or the bar to beat or meet?.

why not the bible, why not another religion?

why is jehovah and christ looked at through the witnesses eyes or perceived representation?.

Marcel

i do that because i know nothing else. i know the jehovahs witnesses - everything else is far away.
i cant measure on someone i do not know. as long as i measure at all.

why do all americans measure in inches and foot? because they dont know much about meters =D

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signs

by BR25 in

it would be alot easier if they had symbols on here for everyone below their names.

i dont know if they do or not.. i try to back the jws, but i dont know if i am talking to athiests, other christians, disfellowshiped ones, or people who just left the truth.

it would be nice to know sometimes.. you might ask why i would wanna know because i should answer everyone the same way, but on here you cant.

Marcel

i dont think labels would be a good idea. on first sight maybe, but not really. some people would rule out arguments just because of a sign. cant be good. that "all you say is wrong because youve got that label on your forehead" is jw thinking but serves not a purpose in the search of truth.