Posts by Marcel

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Critical Times Hard to deal with??

by BluesBrother in

for many decades the watchtower has hammered home the message of 2 timothy 3.1 - 7 .

but know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

2 for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of god, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

Marcel

i believe 2 Timothy 3.1 - 7 could be used in ANY time and on ANY society ever and still being succesful.
in many many points our todays society is way better than ones in the past.

death penalty is not common anymore.
europe is way more united than ever before.
united nations.
no witch burnings.
way better medical treatment in large portions of the world.
no slavery.
no gladiators which kill themselves in stadiums.
the concept of human rights and its increasing enforcement in many parts of the world
etc.

of course there are horrible things. which make the scripture seem to be for our time.
but of course the same would have ppl of the past thought.

even the first christians 2000 years ago thought it.

basically, today we live in a world with better conditions in many parts but also with new problems.

since humans are NEVER satisfied with their situation and tend to do bad things that scripture is a evergreen.

who knows what the future brings? it may be 100 times worse than today.

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259 seconds. What is it's Biblical significance?

by nicolaou in

well 259.2 to be exact.

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top prizes to be won for the first correct answer!

Marcel

sacrifice? of course yes!
even if you take it literally and god really missed his son for a couple of minutes only JESUS was human and endured the time like a human did. and even the pain jesus feeled was the pain of a human.

so the question would be: is it a sacrifice for you to let others torture your child as they wish for 48 minutes? i think no parents could live with that. and it that case its different. is it a sacrifice to let others torture your child as they wish for 48 minutes and apply the same pain like in several years of torture in that time.

omg. i couldnt do it.

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JW Private Investigator Inc

by sparrow in

there has been a few posts regarding happy marriages and the 2 witness rule which reminded me of an experience you might find funny.

i'd like to know if anyone else has done anything like this.... there was a married couple with 3 kids in our cong.

he was an ms but a nasty piece of work.

Marcel

gestapo Oo
ive never thought of something like this.

a really funny story, though :-D

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Let the stones cry out!

by WTWizard in

how often have you heard the phrase "if we don't preach, the stones would cry out"?

this is in regard to the ministry.. what i cannot figure out is (1) this is so urgent that we have to be out 18+ hours a day doing it, (2) we have to endure all sorts of conditions to accomplish our ministry, and (3) we are supposed to get it perfect so people can be drawn in.

so, why don't the stones get to help us out?

Marcel

since stones are everywhere they dont need to carry briefcases and go from door to door. thats a human task.

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Religion Makes Good Men Evil?

by zack in

i watched chris hitchens last night on a show with tim russert.

while i disagree strongly with most of what hitchens says, he did say.

one thing that struck me as profound.

Marcel

there was a quote some days ago on jwd...
it was like:

"good men do good things and bad men do bad things. only religion makes good men do bad things."

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Ex-JWs, does the WTS still teach this?

by A-Team in

"when jesus was on earth as a man, he was a hebrew, and now in his capacity as jehovah's royal executioner he is called by the hebrew name abad'don, which mean destruction.

in the greek in which the inspired christian scriptures were written his similar title is apollyon, which means destroyer" (watchtower, 12/1/1961, pg.

abaddon (hebrew:????

Marcel

its taught in the revelation book in chapter 22 and its not changed with the latest change-script.
the revelation book is studied by jw worldwide atm.

its a nice thing to think about. another thing the jw teach without any backup.
"Apollyon" was known to the early christians as the devil and why would john name jesus with the name of the devil. doesnt make sense.

of course its required for jw logic that "Apollyon" is jesus.

maybe thats a hint whos REALLY behind the jw theology.

(2 Corinthians 11:13-15) 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

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144,000

by TIMBOB in

this is not so much a question as it is to make sure that i am thinking correctly.

the witnesses believe that 144,000 would rule as kings and priests in heaven and the end would not come until all of the 144,000 were in heaven, correct?

so, if this were the case and the witnesses kept a census of how many partook each year and are still doing that today, that means that back in the early 1900s they must of known that all 144,000 were not yet in heaven.

Marcel

the current doctrine is that they arent sure whether ppl of the 144000 will on earth while armageddon. it may be or may not.

most of the doctrines had changed since that many disappointments of the last century that i think they are changing it in that way that the final product will be nearly timeless. no dates, no countdowns, just a static "urgent" attitude which gives you the impression that armageddon is tomorrow all the time.

over the time even 1914 will die. 100%

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Why the excuse, "we are theocratic"?

by edmond dantes in

the wts claim to be theocratic when really they are a dictatorship .when ever did they consult the rank and file and why do so many followers accept blindly their pronouncements.maybe it's because of fear or perhaps just plain ignorance.why can't the g.body write to every jw and ask their opinions about forth coming changes to the washtower editions.they could ask individual members by means of a questionaire ; things like, how satisfied are you with the society?

tick one box ",very satisfied", "not very satisfied"," who gives a monkeys".

"always" or "almost always" or " are you peeing down my back or is it raining".another question; the statement millions now living will never die , only tick one box remember , "was true at the time", or" was never true" or "still true today" or " i believe whatever , do i look bothered".. last question ; because we are tax exempt and a charity case what is the the most humanitarian act do you think we have carried out?

Marcel

lol :D haha

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Let the stones cry out!

by WTWizard in

how often have you heard the phrase "if we don't preach, the stones would cry out"?

this is in regard to the ministry.. what i cannot figure out is (1) this is so urgent that we have to be out 18+ hours a day doing it, (2) we have to endure all sorts of conditions to accomplish our ministry, and (3) we are supposed to get it perfect so people can be drawn in.

so, why don't the stones get to help us out?

Marcel

what about a worldwide "silence day" to test it out? :D
just a whole day noone of any religion preaches anything!

yay, the stones would cry out.

and given that the JWs are the only true religion... cried the stones the whole time before? no, they dont. why not?

i think it does make even more sense when jesus was talking about "the stones", yes the rolling ones. isnt that a great fulfilled prophecy? and it proves that noone actually preaches the truth except the stones lol.

oh my god, what crazy stuff :D

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How many happy JW marriages do you know of?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

just reading frequent flyer miles on the subject of feeling guilty for having a happy marriage with a non-jw.. in our congregation which i haven't attended for about a year, i can only think of two or three who seem to be happy.

of course, i don't know what happens behind closed doors, but i know of several who admit they are unhappy.

i wrote out a long list of couples who have divorced over the last 20 years--including three elders (one is on his second divorce).

Marcel

thats so true.
but you know what my jw-mind tells me about it?

"of course jws are as weak as other ppl, but we keep the congregation clean as best as possible and we know what is wrong and right. everything else is human imperfection and that underlines how important it is to stay in the truth!!!!"