i love quotes of wisdom, so i thought i'd post some for others who like them too.
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bew
Great things are not done by impulse but by a series of small things brought together -Vincent van Gogh
A happy person is not a person in a certain set of circumstances, but rather a person with a certain set of attitudes -Hugh Downs
Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right -Henry Ford
Enthusiasm is self-confidence in action -Franklin Field
i recently got this letter from my mother, i thought i would share it to help see how this saga continues.
my parents are both regular pioneering as we speak.
have seen their grandchildren for about an hour in the last six months.
Hi SL. I can see that your mother is hurting,and is under stress. That can cause physical symptons. But does she know that you know about the child abuse, or does she think you heard about it from apostates? If she thinks you are acting only on hearsay from apostates, it is one thing, because she is still under the mind control. But if she knows that you are acting on knowledge, then I cannot understand at all, because, surely, she knows that you would not make it up.
I cannot imagine why she has only seen her grandchildren for one hour in six months. Seeing them would help to ease her pain, because grandchildren bring great joy.
esther
check it out: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000241.
ariel, sista, it's called cognitive dissonance.
read up on it, and you will see why nothing makes sense in your life.
Teejay, you said
Evenutally Barbara got a divorce "scriptural grounds" and married another brother.
Later on you added
Still, the elders in Ronald's congregation has told him he is not free to marry.
He is free to remarry, the fact that the wife remarried without scriptural grounds means that she has committed adultery.
This is from the Watchtower 1982, September 1st, P31 questions from readers
Consider next the situation of when one mate, for example the husband, takes matters farther than a separation and gets a divorce. A faithful Christian wife who later learned that (before or after divorcing her) he had been morally unfaithful could remarry, considering her former marriage ended both legally and in the eyes of Jehovah God. On the other hand, if there was a legal divorce but no adultery, the divorce would not of itself end the marriage in God's view, for the Bible shows that immorality by one's mate is the only valid basis for a divorce.-Matthew 19:6, 9That seems fairly clear to me.
esther
i received this e-mail by an elder and friend that is very perplexed.
so here is his requested post any thoughts?
i was just reading the 4/1/01 wt p. 21--article: do you feel misunderstand?.
Let's think about it. If you are the victim of injustice caused by someones wrong opinion you should respect their opinions. If it bothers you, you are the one causing yourself to feel rejected.
It is not Christian to disregard what others think, but it is wrong to take any notice of it.
Yes, sounds like a contradiction to me
esther
i hope you'll indulge me for a few minutes here.
i've been reading this board with great enthusiasm for a few weeks now.
i must say i am so impressed by the depth and breadth of experiences all of you are sharing.
Hello Kathy, welcome. From the comments already made, you probably realise that the subject of the trinity is open to disagreement. One thing that bible students are taught early in the study is that it is people who care about them who will try to stop them from studying with JWs. Then they are told that the only way to help their loved ones is to stick with it, and help their loved ones to get everlasting life. The Watchtower Society is very good at playing on emotions.
One thing you might try, though, is the site of ajwrb (Associated Jehovah's Witness for the Reform of Blood). It was set up by concerned Jehovh's Witnesses, including elders. This may help, because it shows how the Society has changed its views on blood. These are links to the site
> http://www.ajwrb.org/index.shtml
> http://www.ajwrb.org/bible/index.shtml
Good luck and please keep us informed about your progress
esther
jst2laws is toast!.
after 29 years i am officially no longer serving as an elder.
those who knew i was still serving would only be surprised that i took so long.
Jst2laws, thank you for telling us your story. The WTBTS is losing the people it can least afford to lose. I have heard of caring compassionate elders recently. It is only since I came to this board, however, that I discovered why the number of caring elders in the congregations has fallen so drastically.
You said
As to your concern to not “let others bring you in a bad situation you are unable to control” this mess with the CO may not be over yet. I will try to be cautious.
I do hope that things turn out well for you.
My heart goes out to you. It must be so very hard to still have to be part of the organisation, knowing what you do and trying not to say too much.
I wish you well in your future, and good luck with trying to get your family out completely.
esther
i'm just wondering if it is because i have changed and have gained my freedom from the watchtower enslavement or i just don't care anymore or is it that i have been exposed to too much of the same old complaints about the borg and all the false prophecies and the lies?.
i must admit i still get pleasure from reports of the watchtower walls starting to crumble al over the civilized world so i guess i'll continue to pop in from time to time.. as far as trying to de-program and rescue the poor unfortunate brainnumbed watchtower slaves, i think it's a total waste of time after all how do get through to people who prefer to believe in the lies when they know they are lies but they just don't want to see the real truth about the "truth(tm)".
i gues they don't want to see the real truth because it would force them to start thinking for them selves again and for some people that is just too much of a burden to bear.
Older Tom, you said
As far as trying to de-program and rescue the poor unfortunate brainnumbed Watchtower slaves, I think it's a total waste of time after all how do get through to people who prefer to believe in the lies when they know they are lies but they just don't want to see the real truth about the "truth(TM)"
If you really believe that, I can understand how you feel.
However, if that is true, how come there are so many leaving the Borg?
Maybe it is not that people want to believe the lies, but they are so brainwashed that it takes a lot to help them to find the real truth. Maybe they fear having nowhere to go, being out in the cold and alone? There are many possible reasons for people to stay with what they know until they find something better.
Just a couple of thoughts from someone who has only recently discovered that the WTS is a fraud.
esther
i made a big mistake when signing up at this supposed website for jehovah's witnesses.
after reading some things on this site it has become apparent to me that this site is nothing put another pathetic site for apostates: people who betrayed jehovah, left the truth, and are so bitter about their experiene in the truth, and they are angry just like satan because they know they will very soon be dead at jehovah's hand!.
this website should be renamed something more fitting like "satan's playground" or a similar name that would get across the message of your site.. sincerely,.
Good for you Logical.
Simon, maybe LaraK signed up to post, but used WT strategy to pretend she hadn't read the posts, so didn't know what she was doing.
esther
if you don't want to read the small text, i've made an identical webpage.
to the print appearing below @.
* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/sharing2.html.
Tom, if three police officers couldn't disarm your brother, what chance did you have?
(((((((Tom)))))))
esther
if you don't want to read the small text, i've made an identical webpage.
to the print appearing below @.
* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/sharing4.html.
Tom, I have read all four parts of your story. You have surely been through the mill.
I understand that you feel badly at what happened to your brother, but if you hadn't managed to stop him, it would possibly have been 2 lives lost, yours and your fathers. So what else could you do, when the police were too scared to do anything.
You obviously have inner strength and courage, and I hope that you will also have an inner peace from your hurt in the near future.
(((((((Tom)))))))
esther
