I used to convince myself that the Bible was equality! That when Jesus lived the good news went out to everyone - 'the whole inhabited earth'. But alas it was a fallacy. At no point in time did a time exist where Jesus had been preached to every individual on Earth. And it has been the same ever since. If God wanted everyone to know and give them all an equal chance surely He would get on with it. Like I've said before, if there's something god wants us to display, it's already in each of us - that's the only equality argument that stands up to analysis and one which Jesus alluded to ' the truth is in you...'. And so it is not wholly dependent on any one set of scripture but on us as individuals and our intelligent fathoming of how to build a compassionate society for the future of our species absent selfish ambitions. IMHO.That's all I see, but how to do? Maybe that's what some imperfect religions are attempting with ideologies part filled with bunkum - which puts off many of us.
R.Crusoe
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Why i no longer feel bad about not believing...lacking faith...DUH!
by oompa ini hit enter by accident so will hurry dang it!
what did it take for the apostles and other followers of jesus to believe????
did they believe just because jesus said "follow me and you will have everlasting life...and yeah i fullfill everything about he messiah and am prett much speaking for him?
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JW say df/shunning is Scriptural...How do we get around those Scriptures?
by oompa inpaul of course is the mainstay of this, and i really like saying "hey lets stick to what jesus taught" but even he condemned the pharacees and others in a considerably judgemental manner.
so what to say to my elder/dad who won't speak to my df son?
like when paul says to not eat with them, don't say a greeting to them etc....how do we get around that?
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I regret ever having been introduced to any literature in the context of them claiming to be uniquely about a real and invisible GOD. The context is so grooming you for a belief that it gives you little choice in the options available as an individual. The trouble is, some social groupings are so reliant upon this that it becomes impossible to do otherwise. Point me to groups of humanitarians with a social framework - or similar.
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Heartbreak - A Marriage Divided By Religion
by daniel-p init's very hard for me to type these words - just as it was when i first knew i didn't believe in the wts and jehovah anymore.
i have a huge ball in the throat, my stomach refuses to settle down, i feel like vomitting, crying, wretching, heaving.
when i first left the truth my self-esteem plummeted.
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You know how loyal and loving your own heart is! You must hold it tighter than a banker holds a bar of gold! Value it and do not give it away to those not like you. If you can do this it will stand you in good stead. But it will not be easy - it is difficult to keep it as your focus! It is who you are though - try not to lose it!
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hardest conversation of my life
by metaspy inmoments ago, i talked to my mom.. i told her that i was taking some time off from going to meetings and service.. the conversation went down hill from there.. as her usual she just dismissed my reasons as if they meant nothing.. i pointed to the child molestations as my main reason for leaving.. "you are being over-sensitive", "jehovah takes care of things in his own time", "rely on jehovah".
those were the catch phrases of the conversation.. a new one was: "what have you been reading?".
i have a hard time standing up to my mother.
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GWQ you're almost correct - but it does mean selecting isolation for oneself for many which is a difficult base to start life from when all the ones grouping together are of a similar mind and working against you. In that respect they don't need you and the more you pull away the worse they view you. I recall some young brothers over 25yrs ago appearing to go off the rails and sort of prove the borg right by their actions. It's the solitary treatment you get handed out which is difficult for any human. The WTBTS say its showing love and you must come begging to be let back in. Families outside the WTBTS sometimes have the same mentality. An our way or go rule! And they won't give you respect till you earn it! LOVE will be interested in your thoughts and feelings and value and respect them. In fact that's usually what the isolated have been doing to others - respecting everything they say and want and giving it far too much consideration. It stops a person being themselves! It ruins their lives! And hey presto its their own fault cries everyone. They don't need you! But accepting you don't need people you've loved is the hard bit - where real loyalty dwindles into an occasional hello or less! It's that move in the heart which destroys some beautiful people. Ones who DGAS get along just fine!
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Confirmed! Watchtower Feb 15 08 brings the "generation" change
by observador infriends,.
i just confirmed the "generation" change from another forum in portuguese.
the following is the text in portuguese:.
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R.Crusoe
Basically they claim Jesus finally ruled in heaven as of 1914 when all bad spirits were thrown to Earth. And then we must all wait till Jesus invisible but ever increasing number of helpers are deemed special enough to be in his gang to rule the New Earth. So that could take another hundred years or more - sorta it happens when it happens! AM I reading this right and if so why am I not surprised?
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hardest conversation of my life
by metaspy inmoments ago, i talked to my mom.. i told her that i was taking some time off from going to meetings and service.. the conversation went down hill from there.. as her usual she just dismissed my reasons as if they meant nothing.. i pointed to the child molestations as my main reason for leaving.. "you are being over-sensitive", "jehovah takes care of things in his own time", "rely on jehovah".
those were the catch phrases of the conversation.. a new one was: "what have you been reading?".
i have a hard time standing up to my mother.
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R.Crusoe
The natural inclination of humans is to want to be part of a family. And certain individuals are far more inclined to continue carrying that feeling even when the family is at loggerheads. Some individuals are extremely domineering by nature or expectant of others.And ones who are not sometimes feel compelled to do as they insist to some degree, taking responsibility on themselves to give in to maintain the relationship. In fact it is more like a dictatorship. However the price of change may be isolation from family to some extent. So both situations carry negatives. It is my opinion however that you must learn to be yourself and say this, to whomever, so that they take on their responsibility to accept you as an individual with your own opinions - or else drift apart. It is a life choice and not a matter of backbone. Love is at stake and this complicates situations. But if you can't be yourself and be loved, maybe you are better alone! Your path to fathom bearing in mind the solution may carry pain! I am unable to emotionally bond with family for similar reasons - it makes me suffer endlessly - but I cannot pretend to be their illusion of what they expect - it is utter nonsense and is their way of ensuring you never stand as their equal!
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Heartbreak - A Marriage Divided By Religion
by daniel-p init's very hard for me to type these words - just as it was when i first knew i didn't believe in the wts and jehovah anymore.
i have a huge ball in the throat, my stomach refuses to settle down, i feel like vomitting, crying, wretching, heaving.
when i first left the truth my self-esteem plummeted.
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R.Crusoe
If you find out someone has had a crush on someone else it will deflate your already low self esteem and likely make you feel she is your only option as far as relationships go. You may become overly entrenched in dependence on her because you feel low when with her and maybe even lower without her - it's what rejection does to people. You must decide whether it's realistic to think happy days will return - if those days were mutually enjoyable then you know what your expectations are. If you haven't had long periods of happiness then how do you expect that to change - you already have your answers about how well you are paired as a couple! I am older now and have made worse mistakes than yours so I am no one to talk - given a rerun I would have split and taken my chances in another direction - getting my life in order and trying out things I'd never thought of!
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hardest conversation of my life
by metaspy inmoments ago, i talked to my mom.. i told her that i was taking some time off from going to meetings and service.. the conversation went down hill from there.. as her usual she just dismissed my reasons as if they meant nothing.. i pointed to the child molestations as my main reason for leaving.. "you are being over-sensitive", "jehovah takes care of things in his own time", "rely on jehovah".
those were the catch phrases of the conversation.. a new one was: "what have you been reading?".
i have a hard time standing up to my mother.
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R.Crusoe
The hardest conversation you'll ever have isn't the one with your mother or PO, it's the one you have with yourself when you decide what you think and make sure that you continue to think what you think. Everything else will come from that position in your head and it can't be changed unless of course you decide you want to - it's really your decision and your life!
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Wanting to just FREAKIN run away....I think I know why now...
by oompa inthe past year or so was year was really, really bad as i came to realize the waking up experience.
once i knew for sure wt was a sham, (although maybe sincere), i had this immediate feeling i would have to leave.....everything.
of course my wife was already going nuts from all my study, questions, doubts, letters to society, meetings with elders....but once i really knew and felt i would have to leave.... i did leave several times.
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It is a hard idea to move away from kids whom you feel you will be unable to influence as part of your own social future. And staying home makes the situation go downhill too because although you know full well all of your wifes worries, she is getting overloaded with support from the KH which has her mind more set against you and thinking it is your weakness that is causing it and why can't you be strong for her and the children. It will do your brain a triple somersault and slam dunk before shredding it till you feel so bad you need to lie in the arms of someone who loves you and all you have is this person acting like you need to get a grip whilst going about her life and knocking doors as you fall apart! It was her mind on baptism which, unlike yours, held the elders in higher authority than you - and you will feel the pressure of that just like ex JW sisters keep on about it being male dominated! You will feel constantly policed in your own personal and spiritual privacy by an organization which has infiltrated every aspect of your life and future. It is a bad situation and if you were given the chance to make a new life for all your family I'm sure you would attempt it but it is unlikely your wife will see it your way. And if you think love is dead between you both then maybe this way is best! It is a bad thing that you feel compelled to give up having a daily input into the childrens lives. I don't know your situation but if your wife was to fight against it you will already be reluctant because of all the pain it will cause them. Family life can ruin us completely as no doubt you know. I hope you find a path to happier times that sits well with you and that good times lay somewhere on your horizon. It's a no win situation and something best worked out between you if possible for the benefit of everyone - though religion has the power to seriously hamper that where JW doctrine is involved! Good luck!
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confused by the concept of BTTT
by inkling ini know "bttt" means "bump to the top", and is done on threads that people think are good, and.
need help from slipping into oblivion... right?.
what i don't get is that the msgs i see are ordered by simply the date of posting, so how does.
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I am king garbage at using this forum and have even posted requests about how to 'bookmark' topics, paragraph, quote, clickable links etc. Software in primary schools 7yrs ago was more sophisticated and user friendly than this. It's a ball ache to wipe your own........ so I just lie down and accept I'll have to be content with typing in realtime - period!