Posts by R.Crusoe

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Christianity after Nietzsche.

by Narkissos in

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most of us are familiar with, or at least have heard of, friedrich nietzsche's virulent criticism of christianity: according to nietzsche the belief in, and desire for, "another (higher or future) world" and "eternal life" betrays a hatred of this world and real life, of power and beauty, of the animal and the "body," a "slave morality" which essentially consists in "resentment" against everything real, powerful, beautiful, etc.

christian "spirituality" is shameful "nihilism," nihilism in disguise, the central emblem of which is the cross, understood as the very negation of life, with the "will of power" and the cruel beauty it is made of.

nietzsche lumps together christianity and anarchism as expressions of the same basic rejection of reality.

R.Crusoe

I think he has a notion that god is in all things and that is what I also feel at my core = so all my life Christianity has lied to me and greatly damaged my core self by wrapping me in reams of ego around dogma and values and roles which inhabit them!

Tolle suggests consciousness of the past and future to be distractions from reality and the true formless self (due the knowledge of good and bad) whereas animals are far more rooted in the present and will not for example go off telling all the other ducks about the duck on the other side of the pond who just had its missus (lol)- it is past and void and now is the now not to be stressed over!

So all our consciousness is over 90% useless to out present and rarely utilised to improve our NOW zone.

Return harm for harm to no one, let truth set you free, be as a child, forgive past transgressions, spread good news, = all sayings we know which conceptualise what Tolle is saying about the NOW of each of our realities!

Is god in all of us, pantheistically working the hidden will of the divine and bringing us all back to the one, at some future collective intellectual point in time?

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Like my new Avartar?

by mrsjones5 in

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<--------- it's me and the hubby .

here's the bigger pic:.

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R.Crusoe

Hey Mrs J you is one hot moma! No wonder he is in the highland tartan hiding his sporan!

Hope you both have a great life together!

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Your JW Relatives Have 2 Personalities - Cult & Authentic- See the Change

by flipper in

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in steve hassan's book, " combatting cult mind control" - one of the points that assisted me the most is understanding that all cult members have a " cult " personality which turns on when defending their faith, and they have an authentic, non - cult personality they were born with- the personality they had before being programmed by the jehovah's witnesses or any other " cult".

how is this dual cult/ authentic personality manifest ?

hassan mentions in his book that, " one moment the person is speaking cultic jargon with a hostile or elitist know-it-all attitude .

R.Crusoe

You are right Ruth = The WT SUPER EGO is impenetrable unless they decide to psychologically forego it = in which case they have given up on the belief to a large degree!

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Christianity after Nietzsche.

by Narkissos in

jw
friends

most of us are familiar with, or at least have heard of, friedrich nietzsche's virulent criticism of christianity: according to nietzsche the belief in, and desire for, "another (higher or future) world" and "eternal life" betrays a hatred of this world and real life, of power and beauty, of the animal and the "body," a "slave morality" which essentially consists in "resentment" against everything real, powerful, beautiful, etc.

christian "spirituality" is shameful "nihilism," nihilism in disguise, the central emblem of which is the cross, understood as the very negation of life, with the "will of power" and the cruel beauty it is made of.

nietzsche lumps together christianity and anarchism as expressions of the same basic rejection of reality.

R.Crusoe

What does Eckhart bring to the table?

Evil or satan is the expression of negative egos we each possess. So if you feel aggravated and display an action to anothers action - it is an ego that has evolved within you which is not your true self but one of a role you have adopted for the world you are in and all it expects of you.

Your true self is the perfect god given aspect of yourself which is only imperfect because of its incompleteness due to its being bound by the form of your body which is its temporary residence. It will move onwards - meantime you must focus on it to evolve its sense of self and lose all ego attachments - roles you identify with and act out in realtime which constantly dwell on the past or future wishes RATHER than on this split secomd life within which is the truth of your formless (bodyless) self.

So he teaches you how to let go of ego by living in the very second of your nowness - focusing on life and living whilst surrounded by chaos - like being an invisible human to any.

So binding evil/satan with ego is an evolutionary intellectual human 'next step' in our species and will help us isolate belief systems which target us with a super egoic belief strata rather than the one of the nowness of the inner being - individual and living - as Jesus alluded to!

56

Christianity after Nietzsche.

by Narkissos in

jw
friends

most of us are familiar with, or at least have heard of, friedrich nietzsche's virulent criticism of christianity: according to nietzsche the belief in, and desire for, "another (higher or future) world" and "eternal life" betrays a hatred of this world and real life, of power and beauty, of the animal and the "body," a "slave morality" which essentially consists in "resentment" against everything real, powerful, beautiful, etc.

christian "spirituality" is shameful "nihilism," nihilism in disguise, the central emblem of which is the cross, understood as the very negation of life, with the "will of power" and the cruel beauty it is made of.

nietzsche lumps together christianity and anarchism as expressions of the same basic rejection of reality.

R.Crusoe

On listening to Eckhart and his many references to Biblical references to Jesus, as well as some from other belief systems, I notice how the holistic aura he appears to know so well carries a collective awakening for any who are able to embrace and employ it.

However, his arrival at his notions seems to stem from his personal experience of casting off all ego and role - or at least that's how he comes across. He suggests he hit a prescence where ego fell away and the reality of his formless self emerged and has dominated his NOWness thereafter.

My problem is in, not reaching into the egoless nowness, or emerging from it void of all egos and roles, but to do so carrying a zeal,vigour and desire for the life within the form that I am.

In this respect I struggle to emerge in the way Eckhart has and I wonder if in fact he has emerged, not into his formless self - content with its own everlasting needless isolation, but into a super egoic role for the liberation of humanity which he is now living the nowness of.

I do not know or understand - whether I will I will see?

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Your JW Relatives Have 2 Personalities - Cult & Authentic- See the Change

by flipper in

jw
friends

in steve hassan's book, " combatting cult mind control" - one of the points that assisted me the most is understanding that all cult members have a " cult " personality which turns on when defending their faith, and they have an authentic, non - cult personality they were born with- the personality they had before being programmed by the jehovah's witnesses or any other " cult".

how is this dual cult/ authentic personality manifest ?

hassan mentions in his book that, " one moment the person is speaking cultic jargon with a hostile or elitist know-it-all attitude .

R.Crusoe

Also what another problem is which is tricky to get ones head around, is when you see duality in members of regular society, which sorta gives you that detached reality feel somehow. Maybe that's why it's sometimes tricky to integerate fully - because you sense they sense it in you due to your limited experience of their cultural experiences - plus you sense in them a network of ego that you dont have or can see through.

Oh boy!

What to do?

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Your JW Relatives Have 2 Personalities - Cult & Authentic- See the Change

by flipper in

jw
friends

in steve hassan's book, " combatting cult mind control" - one of the points that assisted me the most is understanding that all cult members have a " cult " personality which turns on when defending their faith, and they have an authentic, non - cult personality they were born with- the personality they had before being programmed by the jehovah's witnesses or any other " cult".

how is this dual cult/ authentic personality manifest ?

hassan mentions in his book that, " one moment the person is speaking cultic jargon with a hostile or elitist know-it-all attitude .

R.Crusoe

Yup - they have developed an identity which is direct from the WT!

WT ego is self righteous and without flaws that can be questioned!

So that is the ego they have wrestling inside their own set of egos!

Not the best of combinations to relate to and feel accepted for who you are!

But beware - because according to Eckhart that may be your own ego feeling the pain!!

Go figure.

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So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

by nicolaou in

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i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

R.Crusoe

Good points Bring the Light!

You know - I imagine JWs kids have more moments than most of those where they are filled with questions but denied answers?

Albeit I was not in JW cuffs as a child, I was in shackles of carers who had this notion a child does exactly as told to without even thinking of a question let alone asking one - whilst they went about all manner of business as adults! So it was in many respects as you say - filled with doubt and growing insecurity and being distanced from your peer group in school and in your neighborhood. - Never offering opportunities in the home to invite groups of friends around and develop a community for you to grow in and feel part of.

So I can see how alienating a system of belief it is for any who cannot continue to follow its dictatorship godhead governing body!

It turns your NOW into a lonley sad and depressing place.

Who would not have doubts about such a regime?

All my doubts stemmed from its claim to do the reverse of the above - and then find myself feeling like the whole charade of WT life was on a big screen with me sat alone watching it - very detached emotionally with no chance of being in, or 'feeling' part of the show!

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The Father in Me.

by R.Crusoe in

has been killed of!.

it will mean that my role is forever removed from where it was!.

the new me is absent the 'family' it was so ready to support and stand up and fight for!.

R.Crusoe

This is my problem!

What is there about humanity that is not to be popular or else to be ostracised or idolised?

Where is the essence of humanity residing if not in the delusions and illusory realities we ever evolve in pursuit of the elusivity of the moment we all collectively live separated from each other?

A sorta carousel trying to chase each other but never ever possible to do what we are all anticipating.

Maybe the only reality is to take it for yourself? To go and get whatever you wish how you wish and with no empathy or remorse?

I see the only humans who reach the unreachable to be ones who break all rules and flout all laws and relish in the reality they harness for their NOW.

The rest of us are sacrificing what we do not have for what we will never get!

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Suffering...

by tall penguin in

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as j.w.s we were taught that life wasnt supposed to be about suffering.

life was supposed to be about joy and bliss and everlasting life.

if it werent for adam and eve and satan, all would be well.

R.Crusoe

TP - your entry is 'a bit gorgeous!'

Who can imagine WT ego being the NOW reality during a painful existence?

All they do is make it more detached, more painful and so more of the 'satan' they say delivered pain unto mankind.

That is their collective essence like some corporate capitalist unpaid system feeding you carrots of invisible shares in an imaginary 'after human' life.