Posts by Faraon

this is a genuine question... i mean no disrespect to anyone...especially to my heavenly father....but i have this gnawing question in my head that just wont go away...... okay... with that out of the way.... let's take the holly and jessica story that hit the headlines in the uk recently...two innocent kids, murdered and left to decompose in a filthy mud trench....;or worse than that, the story about the two people in the usa who have been busted for running an internet child porn site that features pix of children...babies as young as five months... five months!!!!!!

!.....being sexually abused..... if i start to think about what these poor kids went through it drives me mad!

and then if i start to think about what some kids are still going through even as i write..... welli can hardly bear it!.

Faraon

God created people with freedom of choice.
Some choose good, others choose evil

If this is so, why is it that in the bible he murdered so many people when they chose to do different to its norms?

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More loving than Jehovah?

by teejay in

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on another board, the question was asked: "dear god, where were you 9-11-01?".

during the ensuing discussion among other things i said:believers who benefit from some good fortune (a rescue from a burning building or a .

victory in a pointless game) without fail credit god.

Faraon

If anything we have to be more patient and understanding on why things happen and do our best to work in harmony with his will and puropose for us , whatever that might be.

Jim,
How can you do your best to work in harmony with its will and purpose for us, if you don't even know what that its purpose isf or us ?
How can you believe that this is (the true and only) god, when it has ignored other peoples and nations, and especially when Jesus said that he was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel?
From what I learned from the bible, it is its will to:
Have people kill animals and burn them so he can have a rest.
Kill anyone working on a Saturday.
Kill anyone believing in other gods.
Kill all female adulterers, but males only if they have sex with a married woman.
Impregnate someone else's bride or wife.
Kill your children if they are sassy to you.
Enable males to sell their daughters into slavery.
Yep, I learned about his love a long time ago.

Edited by - faraon on 22 September 2002 18:46:21

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More loving than Jehovah?

by teejay in

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on another board, the question was asked: "dear god, where were you 9-11-01?".

during the ensuing discussion among other things i said:believers who benefit from some good fortune (a rescue from a burning building or a .

victory in a pointless game) without fail credit god.

Faraon

If anything we have to be more patient and understanding on why things happen and do our best to work in harmony with his will and puropose for us, whatever that might be.

How was that again?

When you can make life from non existence then you might be in a position to take HIM on.

Even the mythological J did not create life from non-existence! It used existing materials.

According to biblical myths he used dust to create land animals and water to create fish.

It created birds from water or dust (whether you choose to believe Genesis 1 or 2, take your choice).

It created a human female from living tissue. (Genesis does not address this issue with females from the animals)

If you mean a life that did not exist previously, you create new life when you use your DNA in procreation, therefore you are also creating life from nonexistence.

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What is God doing?

by Kagloo in

this is a genuine question... i mean no disrespect to anyone...especially to my heavenly father....but i have this gnawing question in my head that just wont go away...... okay... with that out of the way.... let's take the holly and jessica story that hit the headlines in the uk recently...two innocent kids, murdered and left to decompose in a filthy mud trench....;or worse than that, the story about the two people in the usa who have been busted for running an internet child porn site that features pix of children...babies as young as five months... five months!!!!!!

!.....being sexually abused..... if i start to think about what these poor kids went through it drives me mad!

and then if i start to think about what some kids are still going through even as i write..... welli can hardly bear it!.

Faraon

Double Edge,

Maybe. But those who do see proof everyday can do nothing less than believe, which includes me.

Where is the proof?

Now that I would agree with....I'm glad THAT god only exists in the minds of people who have decided in their all-knowing minds what god is.

Unfortunately billions of people believe in that god. He is found in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Kagloo,

A Universal law...... Cause and Effect.
I see effects all around me every single day...Life is all it's abundance and complexity and beauty. So what is the Cause?

Abundance, complexity and beauty do not prove that a god exists. Life could have existed without a creator. Abundance and complexity exist because they are necessary to the survival of the fittest. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. If you think that something is beautiful is because you compare it with what you consider ugly. There is abundance of ugliness too. Illnesses, killings, etc.

The Law in Universal.. it can't be sidestepped or ignored.

If you are talking about cause and effect, I will grant you that. If you refer to life, it is not universal. Cause and effect do not require a god.

And all the 'rabid' (to use your own vocabulary) comments that you spit out can't alter it!

I am talking about the god of the bible. If there is a god, and it was wise and loving it would not be like the one in the bible. Look at all the killings he made. It solves everything by killing! It even hardens Pharaoh's heart so that it finally has the pleasure of killing every firstborn, even newborn ones, perfectly innocent. It behaves more like a rabid dog than a loving entity.

For every effect there HAS to be a cause!

Yes, but is the big bang god? The Big Bang started the creation of stars and life in the universe. It began billions of years before Earth was created, not after Earth, like the bible says.

I take your point that the 'Society' might be 'up the creek' in many ways but in my experience it has almost always been a source of instruction and comfort for me.(Even if some of its representatives are slightly bonkers!) But that does not change the fact that we exist and therefore in my way of thinking there must be a Cause.

Think about what you just said. Are you admitting that you find comfort in the teachings of a society, which admittedly has representatives that are "slightly bonkers"?

Yes, there is a cause for our existing, it is called parents, which the Wacko Tower tells us to shun if they don't agree with their views.

You may think that Cause rabid and vengeful and and the other stuff that you said... and believe me I have had enough negative experiences and tragedies (is that how you spell it?) in my life in the truth to feel the same way...

I am not talking about the god that is in the minds of most people. I am talking about the mythical Jewish god of war found in the bible. How can you say that this god is loving after reading about him in the bible?

but when I feel that way I look into the night sky and stare in wonder at the beauty of it all or I watch a bee as it collects honey from the flowers in my garden I know that He is non of the those things that you accuse Him of.

It is surely nice to ponder about the vastness of the universe, and wonder if there is life somewhere else, but if you read the bible, these same stars were created under a firmament (firm, or solid layer} that had water. They were created after the plants were created by the gods (elohim). By creating the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day, it in fact claims there were days before days existed.

As for the bees, I am aware of the beauty of their design. Carrying the pollen sacks on their legs, being able to see the ultraviolet, and even having built-in combs. Yet, have you wondered why does this god create the males only to reproduce, without means of feeding themselves, and wind up starving to death?

( But again I defend your right to express your opinion... as negative as that seems to me)

So do I. I believe that only through communication, we can resolve issues.

Wow... you must really be sore! Or hurting or something. First of all you answer my simple question with a diatribe of abusive innuendo and then when I comment on the fact you immediately hit back with all this hateful stuff!

Yes, I am sore. The Wacko Tower destroyed a part of the life of my daughters. Organized religion made me suffer things that I now know I did not have to suffer.

Diatribe, yes, abusive and innuendo, no. It is not innuendo, but the truth. I used to think that it was only the WT crooked thinking of the bible that made people that way. I came to the conclusion that the base of evil resides in the bible. It is so contradictory that this is the reason why so many religions emerged from it. The hateful stuff was not directed to you or to anyone in particular. Please read your bible with an open mind, not with the mind of someone making excuses.

I hope you have a peaceful night ( where ever you are ). I'm off to bed!

Same to you. May peace reign in you not only tonight but for the rest of your life.

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What is God doing?

by Kagloo in

this is a genuine question... i mean no disrespect to anyone...especially to my heavenly father....but i have this gnawing question in my head that just wont go away...... okay... with that out of the way.... let's take the holly and jessica story that hit the headlines in the uk recently...two innocent kids, murdered and left to decompose in a filthy mud trench....;or worse than that, the story about the two people in the usa who have been busted for running an internet child porn site that features pix of children...babies as young as five months... five months!!!!!!

!.....being sexually abused..... if i start to think about what these poor kids went through it drives me mad!

and then if i start to think about what some kids are still going through even as i write..... welli can hardly bear it!.

Faraon

It is impossible to offend someone who does not exist.

ELSEWHERE... You need some therapy!

People who keep on believing that god exists, without even seeing proof, or worse yet, believing that an unreliable, rabid, murdering deceitful, adulterous god will bring justice and a peaceful paradise are the ones that need therapy.

Even worse are those who help break families, murder others by preventing them from receiving vaccines, organ transplants, or blood transfusions, protect pedophyles, and shun relatives and others in the name of an everchanging real estate and publishing company who represent said god.

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Who Makes the BEST Donut (Doughnut)?

by Funchback in

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my vote goes to krispy kreme because they make one delicious glazed donut/doughnut!

Faraon

Most people at work like Krispy Kream's. I find them too sugary.

I prefer to eat Mexican bread with Mexican chocolate (Ibarra is my favorite brand). They are not too sugary and the variety is tremendous.

As of coffee, I find White Hen's to be the best and not as expensive as Starbucks.

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What is God doing?

by Kagloo in

this is a genuine question... i mean no disrespect to anyone...especially to my heavenly father....but i have this gnawing question in my head that just wont go away...... okay... with that out of the way.... let's take the holly and jessica story that hit the headlines in the uk recently...two innocent kids, murdered and left to decompose in a filthy mud trench....;or worse than that, the story about the two people in the usa who have been busted for running an internet child porn site that features pix of children...babies as young as five months... five months!!!!!!

!.....being sexually abused..... if i start to think about what these poor kids went through it drives me mad!

and then if i start to think about what some kids are still going through even as i write..... welli can hardly bear it!.

Faraon

It is impossible to offend someone who does not exist.

He does exist!

The devil exists!

Santa Claus esists!

They all exist in people's imagination