Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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My Son is studying the lie, this is long but I need help !

by oldflame in

listen, israel: the lord our god, the lord is one.

the lord our god, the lord is one.

jesus is god: .

StephaneLaliberte

I don't believe in the trinity either.

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Hooray for Apostasy against blunders and nincompoopery!

by Terry in

if you change religions by changing your mind and by moving on to something "better" then technically you are apostate.

consequently, unless you are born a jw you have to abandon another religion to become a jw.

so, being an apostate is a good thing if you abandon some other religion, but, if you abandon the jw's you are bad.

StephaneLaliberte

But, if JW's have lies and distortion--they have every reason to fear criticism and would necessarily cringe at having their deeds exposed to the light of day.

This is my main issue with the WT. Not being able to discuss anything. I believe that if they allowed that, the rest of the main issues would be resolved.

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God made Dad and Mom - Amber Dee Parker

by cantleave in

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i love christian bs like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qli86orvdw.

one page insude the book reads.

The day after Armageddon how will JW survive the first week?

by TotallyADD in

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i was thinking about this today when i was mowing the grass.

when you look at the picture the borg always show of armageddon everything is destoryed.

i mean nothing left everything gone.

StephaneLaliberte

I find the very question ridiculous... If God made the incredible miracle of Armageddon, I'm sure he could perform the miracles needed in order to help the survivors taking over the planet.

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What would it take for YOU to come back?

by noonehome in

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StephaneLaliberte

1) Be transparent: Expose much more information about the WT such as the number of excommunicated or deaths due to suicide or abstaining from blood.

2) Abolish Excommunication (Keep public reproof or "noting") and favor honnest open discussions about the WT teachings: The truth should hold up by itself.

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KM quote? Examining the Truth is bad?

by DATA-DOG in

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i have been looking for a quote that i believe was in a km, but i just have not found it yet.

it was about examining beliefs.

it was not the quote that said " study is hard work, bethel will do it for you.

StephaneLaliberte

Awesome quotes blondie, thanks!!

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leopold engleitner oldest concentration camp survivor dead at 107

by StephaneLaliberte in

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57582540/leopold-engleitner-oldest-concentration-camp-survivor-dead-at-107/ .

StephaneLaliberte

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57582540/leopold-engleitner-oldest-concentration-camp-survivor-dead-at-107/

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Two questions to make one think

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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how do you think the wtb&ts (and the average jw) would answer the following two questions?

how would you answer them?.

(1) can one be a genuine christian without being a jw?.

StephaneLaliberte

The answer is yes to both

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Those who went to University whilst being a JW

by MMXIV in

i've read a number of posts in the brief couple of years i've been on jwn of those that were brave enough to go to university whilst being a jw.. clearly this is a small fraction of those that wanted to go but couldn't or had the grades to go but accepted pioneering instead.. for those that did go to uni despite all the advice and pressure, why did you go?

what was the response when you broke the news?

how did it affect your relationships?

StephaneLaliberte

I went to university in the 90s and actually had a very good reputation in the kingdom hall. Yes, there were jealous, talks and comments discouraging university, but I kept a good standing in the congregation by auxiliary pioneering every now and then.

As for my experience over there, well, I have to admit that I didn’t like the overall attitude of the kids that went along with me… they had this “we’re better than the rest” attitude and I hated it.

There is one thing I can say though: I had the luxury of living with my parents at the time and didn’t see much difference between this or high school. So, I didn’t really understand what the big deal was. On the other hand, if I hadn’t lived with my parents, I’m not sure I would have remained a virgin. Yes, I was spiritual, but I was still a man. If I didn’t have to report home everyday… well, I wouldn’t have resisted.

That being said, I can’t transpose MY experience onto others. So, if a kid goes out of the city to university, I won’t judge. But I can understand why the Org is counseling against it in that perspective alone.

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Broadcast bethel video conference in France and its colonies.

by StephaneLaliberte in

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StephaneLaliberte

Yesterday, I assisted to a video conference that was broadcasted throughout France and its colonies. Here are my observations:

Intro: The meeting was called a short “special assembly" that was broadcasted to our hall. The brother that presided the meeting explained that the broadcast was attended by more then 140 000 people in their respective halls and assembly complexes. The broadcast covered France, French Polynesia, St-Peter and Miquelon and other places.

Watchtower study: After a kingdom melody and a prayer, there was a 30 minutes talk based on the current watchtower.

Small 30 min talk: This talk was mainly reporting the various different numbers achieved by the organization such as memorial attendance, pioneers, baptisms, etc. There were some experiences about bible studies and the special program for preaching in the street. The talk then concluded by saying that these reports were proofs that Jehovah’s blessing is on the organization.

Special Talk: After a kingdom melody, there was a one hour talk given by William Malenfant who is in charge of the writing department in Brooklyn. Though I have not taken notes, I can share the details that did make an impression on me.

Only a few men:

The brother stressed the idea that Jehovah has used only a few people to teach his people, explaining that there was a governing body directing and overseeing the preaching work in the first century. Also, that there were only 8 Jews that wrote the Greek scriptures, only 8! That everything we know about Christianity has come to us through the writings of these 8 men.

Worshipping the God you know:

Referring to the conversation that Jesus had with the Samaritan (John 4). Explaining that the Samaritan only believed in the writings of Moses, they did not know God for they did not know how he had brought about his will using the people of Israel. He then made the link to our times explaining how the JWs worship Jehovah understanding that hell, purgatory and immortality of the soul are false teachings and the truth concerning the 144 000. Because of this fact, the witnesses alone worship a god that they know while all others are not worshipping God. Since their description of God is false, then, they are worshipping something that does not exists and thereby, do not worship God.

True understanding only through the slave:

The brother voiced the following idea (I’m paraphrasing): You would not know God if he had not been revealed to you by the faithful slave. From reading the bible alone, would you have come to these understandings? Would you have started going door to door preaching the good news all by yourself? Of course not! These teachings had to be brought to you. We must display our appreciation for this privilege by working with the faithful slave in accomplishing Jehovah’s will.

Only organization to do Jehovah’s will: The brother then went on asking rhetorical questions: Who preaches the name of Jehovah throughout the earth? Who conducts the preaching work? Who displays the love described by Jesus concerning his true disciples? At every questions, he paused with a smile conveying the feeling that it was obviously the JWs.

The slave uses the bible:

Raising his bible in the air and tapping it repeatedly, the brother said: Everything the governing body teaches is found in the bible. The slave does not make up anything. Everything that is thought is taken from the bible, from Jehovah’s word and simply prepared to be served to Jehovah’s people.

True display of love:

He used examples about JWs who risked their lives in Rwanda and Burundi to protect their fellow witnesses. He also stressed the idea that witnesses are there where there are catastrophes.

I don’t have the time to review these points one by one, but I must admit that this talk left me profoundly uncomfortable questioning how one person can say all of these things in so little time and not wonder about his accountability to God.