Pre, but with a decent nod to St. Anger.
monophonic
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Paedo cases in the org and pioneers.......
by jambon1 inhave you ever sat at a convention or assembly and heard an experience from the platform about how some asswipe pioneer received a bundle of cash for their car repairs, "just in time to keep going in the pioneer service".
or some other form of material advantage, credited to god as the provider.. now, let's for a wee minute, assume that these were actual blessings from god.
he actually took action.
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monophonic
jambon1, your post was so good i just saved it to my computer for future reference if/when i ever get in a conversation like this.
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When is an "unbeliever" not dedicated ...
by Frequent_Fader_Miles ini'm a bit perplexed.
according to the flock book updates - 2003 for page 133 an "unbeliever" is an unbaptised person.
it goes on further to state that should a dedicated, baptised christian choose to marry an "unbeliever", his/her parents (whether elder, ministerial servant or pioneer) should not give "tacit approval"to the marriage... moral support, financial support for wedding, reception etc.. .
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monophonic
"Jehovah knows all hearts. He will reveal the fakes to the elders who will take appropriate action. In fact, he is so busy reading hearts of people wanting the use the KH for weddings that he doesn't have time to flush out the pedophiles. Oh well. He can only do so much...."
brilliantly said hermano! and i love your icon.
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Suicide the bible's view
by jeanne40love inhow does the bible view suicide?.
a few acquaintances of mine in the "truth" committed suicide and when the memorial talks were given, they were handled very differently.
at one hall the brother (ms) who took his life....his life was celebrated....there was comfort for everyone.
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monophonic
probably better stated would be the watchtower society's view, since mixing it with the bible might be confusing.
one script i remember is "wages sin pays is death", so at death, you've paid for your sin, at least that's how it was explained to me when i was "in", that script was never brought up in the case of the suicides that i was emotionally involved with...in the 90's they were very harsh in a couple of different congregations i attended, then slowly started to lighten up.
the old view was, 'they lost jehovah's holy spirit' (said directly to me, a publisher, on two different situations, so who knows what was going on behind the scenes), so it was more investigative tactics as to the why and lots of speculation.
newer suicides i've seen treated w/ more kindness (if you wanna call it that, i could tell some brothers were just itching to get the witch-hunt out), but since i've left the society has beefed up its legal tactics (check out "ELDERS DOCS" in the private discussion forum for pdf scans of that), so they mostly are covering their asses in these cases.
of course, no one would ever admit or apologize to anyone for their old ways of thinking and how much harm was brought on entire families who were not only grieving and coming to grips with the tragedy, but were being investigated as to why 'jehovah's holy spirit had left the family', yes, exact words.
the reason for no apologies will be easily seen in the elder's documents, because they're more fearful of worldly litigation and getting sued than being christian...i doubt jesus would've told his apostles not to ever bring up the subject again b/c they might get sued in the sanhedrin (forgot how to spell that, it's been a long time)...he would've been on them to make ammends and comfort the family above and beyond in their time of grief.
suicides sometimes have a way of triggering other suicides in the family, i've witnessed this first hand in mine as well as others....so it should be very important to show as much love and understanding to the families and friends grieving as possible.
my reasons for leaving the organization are directly related to how we were treated as a family b/c of suicide and i continued to stay 'in', and the 'new light' came w/o apology of the way we were treated (from life long family 'friends' who were also elders), and it all hit me like a flash, the elders, the governing body, the society will chose to seriously harm a few people in order to make sure the possibility of them getting sued or losing face doesn't happen.
for way more information on that check out 'crisis of conscious' by raymond franz which confirmed every intuition i had on such a grander scale than my experiences.
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evidence of angelic direction
by tank ini just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .
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jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.
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monophonic
i wonder if there's the same experience w/ mormons, UPS delivery men and women, political activists, etc.
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Statistics here show 80,000
by orbison11 innow is that posters,,,trying to figuire out how many here have registered.
anybody have an idea?.
thanks,orb.
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monophonic
now if i can guarantee a publisher that each and every one of you will by my dark/comedic novel on growing up a jw, i'll get a publishing deal.
agents keep telling me, they love the book, but it's virgin territory since no one has really gone this route before w/ the subject.
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Cried myself to sleep last night
by unique1 ini was laying in bed and trying to drift off to sleep.
all of a sudden i had a vision of my father building our dining room table.
we moved when i was four and this was at our old house so i must have been pretty young.
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there's something in the air, it's been an emotional, horrid week for me as well.
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Why Doesn't the Governing Body Follow the Examples of the "Bible Writers"?
by AllTimeJeff inthe witnesses often claim that they are the true religion.
that there existence has fulfilled bible prophesy and bible chronology.
because the true religion should (in their own words) imitate exactly the candor of the bible writers who..... quote: *** ba p. 16 can this book be trusted?
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the best writing is honest writing and embracing our human condition.
it's not unique that bible writers show their weaknesses, many writers do....and it's actually pretty pathetic that the society stains their panties and promotes that to death about the bible.
and that they have to keep up appearances for the masses, so hush hush, nope, no homosexuality in bethel, well, a bit, nudge nudge, wink wink, know what i mean, say no more....
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Your Youth-Getting the Best out of It!--PDF!
by Atlantis inyour youth!
getting the best out of it!--1976-approx.-7mb-(standard pdf) what does the front cover of this book look like?
it's the commercial world that basically sets and encourages styles.
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great idea! and satire bypasses copyright laws...might be time for a jw-joke book that looks exactly like a jw book.
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Your Youth-Getting the Best out of It!--PDF!
by Atlantis inyour youth!
getting the best out of it!--1976-approx.-7mb-(standard pdf) what does the front cover of this book look like?
it's the commercial world that basically sets and encourages styles.
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i bought a copy off of ebay just to get the homosexuality and masturbation chapter b/c i didn't remember being taught that...sure enough, right there in black and white.
they've completely backed-off (i mean, new light) of ever mentioning this again in publications, correct?
or at least in the last 10-20 years?
forget about the thousands of pubescent kids they fucked up, myself included, with this ignorant crap, just sweep it under the rug and it'll go away.
is this publication in the watchtower cd-rom library, or do they phase out old books?