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  1914 and 1935 running out of time?

  by Blueblades in

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  the teachings and practices of the society have changed greatly under five respective leaders.russell, (lets not forget barbour,he was the one who published the 1914 date in july 1877,in the book "three worlds,page 83.

  " it has been a central teaching of the wt.society since then.

  )rutherford,knorr,fred w.franz and now henschel.most wt.publications over 10 yrs.old are outdated and are no longer used.the beliefs that "prove"they are the only true religion are different from their beliefs of fifty yrs.ago.however,the truth will not and cannot change.do you think we can expect the dates 1914 and 1935 to change because of running out of time?i realize that in spite of the changes,they expect members to be in complete agreement with their teachings and to be in complete obedience to the organization.blueblades.

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  I wonder if anyone in Brooklyn HQ was ever smacked his head and exclaimed, "DOH!" upon realizing how much better off the WTS would have been if it had the sense to avoid their perpetuallly failing "just around the corner" eschatology.

  Given the stunning influx of long-term, volume purchasers of low-cost, high revenue return Watchtower publications during a critical period needed to achieve greater financial and psychological control, I can imagine the only head banging at headquarters is how to come up with another financially successful marketing scheme, with the fortuitous timing and financial success 1914 had.
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  Ray Franz -some personal recollections.

  by Gilgamesh in

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  this is my first post.

  please forgive its length, its bad timing, its preachiness, its prejudices, etc.

  it's just one more opinion that i feel obligated to add.

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  "...I remember what seemed to be his favorite subjects: justice, righteousness, the spirit of the law over the letter of the law, the principle of true religion summed up in "looking after the orphan and the widow in their tribulation."

  If the above truly is representative of Rays attitude, its obviously at odds with the Watchtower Corporations unabashed pursuit of profit in the name of Bible education.

  Its no wonder that anyone with a similarly vocal and influential persona as Ray Franz would be considered a financial liability and asked, in no uncertain terms, to take their independantly non-quantifiable philanthropy and leave the employ of the New York branch of the Bank of Jehovah.

  Edited by - Flip on 31 October 2002 23:55:2

  Edited by - Flip on 1 November 2002 10:44:29
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  Is 1914 date flawed?

  by badboy in

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  reasoning from the scriptures says on pp95-97 that months consist of 30 days.. years therefore would be 360 days long.. i have calcaluted(sic)that for every year in the `western'calender such a 360 day calender would fall 4/5 days depending on whether it was a leapyear or not.

  now over a period of 2520 years,a 360 day calender would be 9,940 days behind a 364/5 day calender(25 years!

  ) therefore 2520 years according to book of daniel would fall in 1889!.

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  I would suspect relatively recent manipulations coupled with limited attention given this subject by the Writing Dept has been sufficient to have gotten loyal Jehovahs Witnesses to the point where the mention of any perceived notion that the Watchtower Corporation once attached significant meaning to 1914 is simply an apostate rant.
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  New here - thanks all

  by acsot in

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  ive been reading these posts and some on other websites for awhile now, trying to figure things out for myself.

  im still a jw, a non-believing one if you will.

  i more or less grew up as a jw, my father was an alcoholic and my mother became a jw when i was a kid.

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  Welcome ascot, youll find your experiences parallel many others. For instance, in my fathers case you can replace your fathers alcoholism with post-traumatic syndrome, generated by WWII military experiences. The clinical name is different but the results as far as behavior and motivation for parental recruitment into the Watchtower Corporation would be similar.

  Your well put observation, Neither of my parents had much education, so the JW teaching of (secular) education not being important (especially back in the 60s when she was baptized) probably sounded like heaven on earth to my mother ., explains much of my fathers gravitation towards Jehovahs Witnesses which was the negating of his perceived shortcomings by the instant appearance of a contrived, Watchtower Corporate induced level playing field.

  Thanks for providing your personal experiences ascot, by doing so it can cause others to reflect upon and understand their own.
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  Do you remember Golf, from H2O?

  by WildHorses in

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  i wonder what happened to him?

  he was such a nice man.

  has anyone kept in contact with him?

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  There's plenty of really good, "nice" posters who are here, but may be keeping quiet because of the rabble

  The rabble come and go and are easily ignored... I've just been very busy lately, but stop in now and again to search for worthwhile perspectives ... they're not difficult to find.

  I remember Golf very well, If I'm not mistaken, I believe he described himself as a money player on the professional American 'links' circuit.
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  I am reaching my breaking point!

  by gilwarrior in

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  i just got back from the palms casino where i lost $60 dollars.

  that had to be the worst game of poker i have ever had.

  i got home and everything just started coming to me.

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  I want to be around people and have friends, but I don't know how to talk to anyone. I get nervous around new people and I don't know how to react. I don't get it.

  Smile at Strangers, Look into Their Eyes, and Say Hello

  Have you ever noticed or thought about how little eye contact most of us have with strangers? Why? Are we afraid of them? What keeps us from opening our hearts to people we dont know?

  I dont really know the answers to these questions, but I do know that there is virtually always a parallel between our attitude toward strangers and our overall level of happiness. In other words, its unusual to find a person who walks around with his head down, frowning and looking away from people, who is secretly a peaceful, joyful person.

  Im not suggesting its better to be outgoing than introverted, that you need to expend tons of extra energy trying to brighten others days, or that you should pretend to be friendly. I am suggesting, however, that if you think of strangers as being a little more like you and treat them not only with kindness and respect but with smiles and eye contact as well, youll probably notice some pretty nice changes in yourself. Youll begin to see that most people are just like youmost of them have families, people they love, troubles, concerns, likes, dislikes, fears, and so forth. Youll also notice how nice and grateful people can be when youre the first one to reach out. When you see how similar we all are, you begin to see the innocence in all of us. In other words, even though we often mess up, most of us are doing the best that we know how with the circumstances that surround us. Along with seeing the innocence in people comes a profound felling of inner happiness.

  Dont Sweat the Small StuffR. Calson Ph.d
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  I LOST MY JOB TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Jesika in

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  i have been searching for a job since march, and finally got one waiting tables at a pool hall.

  they fired me today due to "pushing" someone that i asked to excuse me.

  then i was told that my "attitude" was a reason.

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  Jes, something far worse than getting fired from a job, mediocre or otherwise, is not getting fired and fooling yourself into not challenging yourself and missing out on living up to your full potential.

  For instance, perhaps you subconsciously know you are destined for greater things than the current workplace could offer you and an inner conflict engineered the demise of your employment.

  Hopefully you will not allow your demonstrated passion and courage to be shackled by the mundane and banal.
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  Ewanchuk v. Ewanchuk: JW grandparents' rights case

  by expatbrit in

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  earlier this month, the supreme court of the northwest territories rendered judgement on this case, involving grandparents rights of access to their grandchildren and their right to expose the grandchildren to their religion.

  practising jehovahs witnesses.. tracy ewanchuk (respondent): the mother of asia and alecsa.

  a second is that he views their exposure to his religious practices as something that is healthy for them.

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  It appears anyone acting as an antagonist and openly addresses questionable Watchtower policies that might be the cause of negative lifestyle issues by initiating dialog with the Watchtower head on, will have to endure an expensive and plodding court case, each and every time, because the court room seems to be the only locallity the Corporation will pry open its mouth to put its moneywhen a real audience seeking the truth is involved.

  Now where the heck is the North West Territories? Can any Australian, European or American describe where it is without first doing an internet search?
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  All The Answers

  by COMF in

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  2. friends

  billy graham, world-famous evangelist, has come to dallas, hallelujah!

  and the advertising is all over the place.

  one of the main slogans they're using in billboards and on the radio is, "he doesn't have all the answers... but he knows who does.".

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  And if you can't get the answers out of him, what good does it do to know that he's got 'em?

  Perhaps the benefits are psychologically comforting ... when one allows ones self to be convinced that another being has all the answers, read: power, it might justify the absolution of ones responsibility for the negative impact of ones immediate actions or inaction towards other living things and to perpetuate any transgressions remain unrecognized.

  Over the years, religious corporations and political regimes selling the compelling concept of 'mass acquisition of absolution thru unity, or brotherhood of association' has proven to be a highly lucrative marketing technique and neither Billy nor the Watchtower are financial dummies in that regard.
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  JW Properties - if sold who does the money go to

  by KAYTEE in

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  2. scandals

  if any new projects are built i.e.

  kingdom halls, assembly halls etc.

  if these were to be sold for any reason, where would the profits go to.

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  There are plenty of real things to talk about without making things up.

  Ok Porky, you go first.