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  Sexual Morality in OT & NT

  by AlanF in

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  sexual morality in the old testament differs from that in the new testament .

  conservative christians like the jehovah's witnesses often claim that, like the new testament, the old testament forbids all sexual relations outside marriage, including relations between unmarried people.

  that is not quite true.

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  Francois

  Alan:

  Great piece of work. Very well done. Honor is due.

  Your essay underlines once again that the Hebrews and their god were tribal savages unworthy of emulation even at the time of Jesus life, much less two thousand years after him.

  Always it seems that the old religion serves as scaffolding in the development of the new. So Christianity was achieved by climbing the scaffolding of the olden Hebrew tribal law and custom - and still it lingers with us today, including the concepts of the manlike god concept called Jehovah.

  And this IMO is just why so many fanciful Christian interpretations of NT codes of worship, morality, and ethics have been offered. It's mighty hard to comport these old, barely sprititual, tribal mores, morals, ethics, and religious practices with the exponentiating spirituality of Jesus.

  In attempting to make the transition from the Hebrew tribal religion to the religion of Jesus seamless, twisted organizations like Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Moonies, and others pop up all over the empire.

  Once again, that was a fine piece of work Alan.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Prevalence of JW Suicides - Real or Imagined?

  by AMNESIAN in

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  in one or two recent threads i've seen reference to the possibility of a rising number of jw suicides being another of the organization's very dark realities about which it is vigilant in keeping concealed from its pub populace.

  is there anyone reasonably informed regarding this?

  is there reason to suppose the incidence ratio among jws is any higher than among any peoples/religion?

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  Francois

  A study of this and related topics was undertaken several years ago by the sociolgy department at one of the larger Canadian universities. The study revealed that the suicide rate among JWs was indeed higher, as was the rate of: alcoholism, spousal abuse, child abuse (sexual, emotional, psychological), clinical depression, petty criminality, and a number of related phenomena.

  This topic came up a couple of months ago, and I've been wracking my brain (and my search engine) ever since in an attempt to I.D. where I originally read that information, or at which university the research was conducted. If and when the cloud lifts, I'll certainly post the source information.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Mormons phoned for the last time - I hope

  by philo in

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  i had a follow up phone call from the mormons today wanting to arrange for house visit no.

  2. the first visit had been a game where i asked questions and they wriggled about a bit so as not to address them -- it brought back dub memories, i'm telling you.. it went like this.... who will survive the world's judgement day?

  only mormons and exceptional individuals.. how about me?

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  Francois

  Wasn't the location of the golden tablets revealed to Joe Smith by a white salamander? I know there's a white salamander in there somewhere, but I disremember just where.

  Do any of you know?

  Franc

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  CBS News and Oxycontin

  by Bendrr in

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  well, captain dan the news man is back in the drug war.

  the latest threat is from the evil villain oxycontin.

  it's causing a crime wave.

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  Francois

  If you must tickle the dragon's tail, I suppose your formula is as good as any. I would however, point out that you might want to be more specific than to say only one PILL at a time. Oxycontin comes in tabs of 10, 20, 40, 80, 100, & 120 milligrams. One 120 mg tab combined with alcohol could very realistically be fatal.

  And I strongly suggest you eliminate ANY alcohol altogether. It's one thing to tickle the dragon's tail; it's another thing altogether to stick your finger up his ass.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Why do elders come unnanounced.......

  by ISP in

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  yeah, like these guys never make appointments.

  just stroll up when it suits them and not you.

  is it ignorance or simply a matter of discourtesy?

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  Francois

  And in the end, this technique to which you refer discloses a total, complete disrespect for the recipient of these elder's "visits".

  Franc

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Why?

  by Francois in

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  ya know, the men who make up the official theology-making, policy propagating governing body of jws are not dumb.

  they are not ignorant.

  they can, as we have done here, compile lists of all their many failed prophecies, and no doubt have done so.

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  Francois

  Ya know, the men who make up the official theology-making, policy propagating governing body of JWs are not dumb. They are not ignorant. They can, as we have done here, compile lists of all their many failed prophecies, and no doubt have done so. They are aware of their doctrinal flip-flops; their concurrent opposite teachings; their quaint alarms (like the one concerning aluminum); all their failures of all types are certainly well known to them. And they attempt to hide all this stuff, just like attempting to ignore an elephant in the bathtub. Why else attempt to clear out the KH libraries of pre-1975 books?

  If we are aware of all these things, certainly they are.

  So what's going on that these guys stubbornly cling to this false religion they have created? What makes them continue with teachings that are manifestly unloving and unspiritual? And with their gradualism in the way they back away from such things as their insistence on the accuracy of their 1914 generation teaching?

  What's going on here? These men aren't stupid!!

  There must be an explanation for this. Is it the money? We know there is an incredible amount of it. Wouldn't there be even more if they were to loosen up, get real?

  What could possibly be motivating this behavior?

  I know there are some incredibly intelligent, well-informed, well-spoken people who contribute to this site. Perhaps there could be some informed, educated speculation about why what's going on with the JWs is going on at all? Why continue to take a beating over teachings, prophecies, policies and behaviors that are utterly unnecessary and manifestly counter-productive?

  Enquiring minds want to know! WHY?

  Many Thanks,
  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

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  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Francois

  Organizations have personalities the same as individual human beings. And the organization of JWs is severely in need of immediate psychological help.

  With a straight face it points the accusing finger at others, failing to realize that each time it does so, it points three at itself.

  I wonder if it really is aware of its own hypocrisy? I tend to think not; I tend to think they are not aware of their own spiritual need. Only those who feel poor in spirit will ever hunger for righteousness. And the GB does not seem to do so. Only the humble seek for divine strength and crave spiritual power. Righteousness is a pleasure, not a duty as JWs would have you believe. Jesus' righteousness is a dynamic love--fatherly-brotherly affection. It is not the negative or thou-shalt-not type of righteousness. How could one ever hunger for something negative--something "not to do"? And aren't the precepts of the JWs mostly demands that you do not do certain things?

  Anyway, thanks for a great post.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  The perfect JW honey trap

  by mauddib in

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  -i'm a jw who has been in the org his entire life.. -i never used a computer except at work to place customer orders.. -my wife buys me an 800mhz system from the neighborhood circuit city store as an anniversary gift.

  says i can research my ministry school talks.

  -i hook it up, it works (!!

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  Francois

  It is very dangerous to accept one and only one source in any search for truth, whether that truth you seek is scientific, social, philosophical, religious, etc. The WTB&TS seeks to limit your search to once source - them. When that happens, you can be sure that truth is the least of the concerns of those who would limit your search.

  You are certainly welcome here. And I hope your mind will be open. You obviously are an intelligent person and I suspect you are able to separate the wheat from the chaff in the truth department.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Hey Women! Faithful Slave Sez You're Dumb!

  by metatron in

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  oh, this is gonna be fun!.

  the august 22, 1967 awake has an article entitled.

  "i do not permit a woman to exercise authority.

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  Francois

  Proving once again that there are no limits to the utter stupidity of the WTB&TS.

  You know, that passage sounds exactly like the KKK quoting some un-named expert "proving" that the white race is superior to all others. Just change a few words around, and you'd have exactly that.

  I can't wait to see how the Jay-Dubs who hang out here justify this one.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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  Studying

  by tattoogrl333 in

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  i flat out asked the jw i'm studying with what she would do if someone was disfellowshipped and she was honest and said she wouldn't talk to them since they wouldn't be good examples of jehovah witness.

  then we started talking about appearances and tattoos, and about my pink hair :) and she said it didn't matter.

  i am enjoying reading and visiting this web site but i am just not seeing the same things you guys have.

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  Francois

  Yes, if I were a member of a vegetarian group and decided to eat meat, I would expect sane humans who continued in that group to continue to speak to me. I wouldn't expect them to share my diet, though. And that would be the end of it.

  You merely haven't reached that stage in your introduction to the JWs where its time to trot out the emotional thumb-screws, the endless demands, and all the rest.

  You don't have to take our word for it. Just keep on going in the direction you're going and you'll get there. Guaranteed. Then write us back.

  Francois

  Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.