hi gang,.
those who claim that morality is subjective have painted themselves into a corner.
how about this, kent, big jim, seeker, a.f., j.h., troglodyte trilobyte, hippo the dippo, lisa baby, mulan, ldh, boynenko, et al?.
The cause of death of Alexander the Great is not known with finality. The smart money is on malaria. Fundys like to say it was VD, but they have an axe to grind, and are hardly sources of objective information...like the rest of your post.
A walk through the sea of your intellect would hardly dampen the soles of my feet.
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
Hey Ozziepost, you too have hit the nail on the head with, "...they try to cooperate with the Spirit's leadings."
Um, isn't that what we ALL try to do? Why do we need a group of isolated, self-righteous old farts to do it for us? The same old farts who have a history of over a hundred years of failed prophecy to their credit, therefore identifying themselves as false prophets by ANY defintion, especially that found at Deut. 18:22?
We do our best when we expose these false sheperds to the searching luminosity of truth - like that to which they will be subject following the Dateline piece.
I really think we should come up with other outrageous elements of Dubdom for other elements of the press to consider. The press in general may not want to handle any more of the pederasty issue since "it's been done." But there is plenty of other stuff: the blood issue, shunning, even the neutrality issue as it relates to Malawi and all the dead witnesses there. The message being "joining the witnesses is costing people their lives."
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
there will be one about what your favourite color is later... .
This is an important addendum, at least to me.
Yes, the about face with the Catholic's stand on meat on Friday and the JW crowing about it was the thing that first tapped me on the shoulder.
The thing that really got me going was a JW publication; the JW apologia, "Jehoavh's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose." That's what really did it for me.
If you've got a copy, take a look at it, especially if it's the original version.
In there, for instance, is the story of how Russell - whom they attempt to make look like some kinda later day Moses - stayed up past his bedtime, furiously studying scripture "heedless of the hour." Shit, which one of us hasn't done that fooling around on the Internet, or watching a late movies, or toking up with a girl/boyfriend with hopes of getting lucky later?
"Heedless of the hour" my ass. You'd think the bastard was about to part the Red Sea or something.
Then, speaking of Rutherford, Da Judge, the account is given of how he went around challenging any, all, several, and joint religious leaders to debate him about the scriptures and how they all chickened out, "proving" that theirs was a "false" religion. The nub of this one is that the pamphlets challenging these guys to debate, that I think the judge had tossed out of airplanes over cities, were said to be in fulfillment of some scripture or other about how the words of the prophet were like "tongues of fire" burning all those in opposition. Pamphlets mind you! Fucking pieces of paper tossed out of an airplane window are "tongues of fire" no less.
Reading this book and seeing how the society applied each and every little tidbit of scripture to their "anti-typical" fulfillment in the JWs and in Russell and Rutherford struck me as a HOOT on the one hand, and as just about the most arrogant damn thing I'd ever seen on the other. Pamphlets raining out of an airplane fulfills scripture about tongues of fire.
And of course they went on and on and on about the miracle wheat, and Rutherford's pedophillia (probably why the JWs are so tolerant of the bastards now), and the radio station, and Beth Sarim. Now that one was rich. Beth Sarim. Build for "olden worthies" to live in when they were presently resurrected; but Rutherford, selfless guy that he was, lived in it while waiting for Moses and that crowd to show up, the better to keep it warm for them.
Anyway, I remember how that one phrase, "heedless of the hour" so offended me, and was so blown out of proportion and how it never left my mind. Heedless of the hour. What a joke. Then the entire rest of that JW apologia. It was an open invitation to laugh in the face of the JWs.
I just wish I'd started laughing sooner. Because I waited, I covered myself with thousands of wounds by staying in the borg too long. And now it's too late to ever recover from all the damage they've done.
End of addendum.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
i see that a number of jw defenders feel that ex-jws are 'picking' on the watch tower society, and still do not get the clue.
these defenders seem to think that we are silent about other religions, and that we are just embellishing this issue because we have an ulterior motive to engage in a hate campaign.. let's look at a little history.
the watch tower religion has through its history, especially from j. f. rutherford's time, engaged in the most horrid bashing of all religions, especially the catholic church and protestant denominations.
You're right, Peter. It's a cult. It's a cult pure and simple by any definition of cult anyone would like to use.
The post from Sarah who had a CO and elder invade their homes has me so furious I could spit. It is time to put an end to those arrogant bastards. What they need is a large lesson in humility, and I aim to do all in my power to help see they get it. And I hope all of you will too.
Spank? I like the idea of a punch in the mouth myself.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
please tell me i made the right decision.
last night the co and another elder showed up at our house just 5 minutes after my husband got home from work (i think they were sitting on the side of the road just waiting for him to come home)*stalkers*, anyway to make along story short, the pressure was on.
i felt like they were there to get us to da ourselves.
I'm sorry Sarah. I know how you feel, or at least close. Many members of my family didn't communicate with me for years after I left the Borg. After a while, I developed the attitude that if they were willing to shun me over a false prophet, they weren't worth knowing in the first place. And after a while I forgot them.
But I was making an effort at real spiritual growth on my own and mothers, and brothers, and sisters, and many others were added to me as I gradually grew in the real spirit, just like Jesus said would happen. Now my friends are my family. And they are true friends I can depend on no matter what my beliefs. I'm sure you'll find this true for yourself as well. i hope you do. And soon.
Best to you,
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
there will be one about what your favourite color is later... .
I knew there was something, but couldn't remember since it was so long ago. Then, BINGO!, it hit me.
A long time ago, the Catholic Church changed its rules about eating meat on Friday. I think I was in high school at the time. Well. The Jay-Dubs got up on their soap-boxes about that big time. In every publication. From the platform. In the door-to-door work. They designed a field service presentation around it. They had a friggin' field day over that change in policy.
But even then, at 16 years of age, I knew about teachings of their own they had changed. And I knew others were comimg as well.
And I remember thinking how hypocritical it all struck me. Of course from today's perspective, given all the changes the Borg has made in the years since then, forty to be exact, it's no longer a thing of astonishment.
Changes in teaching back then weren't refered to as "new light" as it is now....
Oh hell! Why bother? We've had the goods on the bastards for years. Or as my Cubana wife says, "why beat a dead horse to the ground?"
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
latest propaganda from the borg (wt.sept 1, 2001, pg.15).
"suppose, though, that we personally have been the.
victim of a perceived injustice.
I wonder what's gonna happen when the Dateline "ship hits the sand"? Do you reckon they'll go, each one of the GB, into their closet and pray over the matter and keep silent about it?
Useta be the society could get away with murder because of the limited access to a national or international voice. JW stories were peanuts to even local news outlets. Now however, with the advent of the internet, so much can be and has been said about - for instance - pedophillia and other horrors which JWs so obviously condone that the press is ready to pounce just because of the sensational nature of the subject matter.
And everyone like seeing a self-righteous hypocrite get their comeuppance Don't they?
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
i am brand new here.
just thought i would add my "two cents worth" as they say.
i basically have become very hurt and feel so let down.
"By their fruits you shall know them..."
You certainly do. And if this were an isolated case it could be dismissed as just an example of aberrant behavior on the part of a random loony. Y'know, I don't remember even hearing of this kinda of behavior, say, twenty-five years or so ago. But it seems it's becoming standard, unremarkable.
I wonder if, after decades of running off its best and brightest, the "body" of the organization of JWs isn't becoming dominated by the loony-tunes, weirdos, and nasties. Think about it. Most people who have consciences, human kindnesses, you know, the fruits of the spirit, are bugging out in record numbers - so what does that leave?
Well, for starters, it leaves the kind of goose-stepping, society-worshipping slug who came to see you. With continued defection of their spiritual elite, the average congregation will more and more be made up of folk like you describe. The Jay-Dubs will disappear as a result of their exponentiating cruelty. And in this manner, the "evil ones" will be no more. Evil contains the seeds of its own destruction. It's a form of evolution. Neat, ain't it?
My $0.02.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
i grew up with parents who hated jw's.
my grandmother was a secret.
witness,no one ever knew.
I smell paranoid schizophrenia. Or worse.
ft
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
Max, buried in your original post is the nub of this and of the entire JW phenomena. That nub is, "...How did Jehovah reveal his long-hidden secrets...?"
Just so!
How DOES Jehovah communicate with the governing body? I have asked this question for years with no answer from anyone. Does the GB get together in a circle in a room in the corner in the dark holding hands and pray and the voice of Jehovah is heard by all? Is "new light" written in Hebrew length-wise on a strip of Charmin, rolled up and left on the front steps of Borg headquarters in a Hellman's mayonaize jar? Does an English-speaking Dove descend and sit on Ted's head and issue new light? Does the GB have a set of Urim and Thummin (Ex. 28:30) and roll them down the conference table and "divine" the will of Jehovah just like the Isrealites did? They determined the will of the creator of the universe of universes by playing with fancy ROCKS?
How exactly does the GB determine new light (or old light, or ANY light, or an old grocery list, or any damn thing) from God? What is that mechanism?
We know it can't be any of the methods suggested here, because the assisted, or unassisted, aprehension of the will of God through these methods has already been condemned by the GB as mysticism which, as we all know, is controlled by the deeminz!
So what the hell is the technique of knowing the will of God used by the JWs, and how did they learn it? God must have told the GB which blood fraction has the soul in it, else how could they tell us what fraction we can transfuse?
Enquiring minds want to know.
How 'bout it Teddy boy? Wanna tell us how it is that the great Jah tells you what the new light is, or is it in reality nothing more than your bullshit opinion? I vote for the later.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
