Posts by Francois

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any know anything about the Rosicrucian Order

by sennabrasil94 in

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are the rosicrucian's another cult?.

i'm considering applying to their order.

this time i wanna do some homework but they are a secrect society very quiet and unscandalish.. what do you think.

Francois

Just after I left Da Troof, I got ahold of some Rosicrucian publications from the library. I sat down one afternoon in the shade of the tree holding my swing, with the book and a Braunschweiger on Rye sandwich and began to read. I remember thinking, by contrast, how good the Braunschweiger was.

Terrible, terrible writing. I thought, "well, the JWs can at least get the subject and verb dancing together." Anything that could be supported by writing of that kind was not for me. So after fifty pages, I decided on agnosticism.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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A Question thats troubling me........

by aud8 in

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"this good news will be preached for a witness to all the inhabited nations and then the end will come" nobody else is preaching any good news as far as i can see?

what do you think?

Francois

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Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

Francois

AGuest, it doesn't appear you're going to get your answer. The tip-off is all the semantic shilly-shallying around with the form of your question.

All philosophical debates deal mainly with the definition of terms and never do get around to real answers to real questions.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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US Law & Presidency

by Amazing in

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us law & presidency .

many non-american people as well as many american citizens do not fully understand the legal premise of our system, nor how the system is designed to function.

because so many have a hazy idea, they often make mistakes in voting and involvement in the political system.. the presidency: the office of the us president was designed to be weak and largely one of administration.

Francois

Amazing, that was an amazingly good essay. Damn good. I see that we're cut from pretty much the same piece of leather (although your statement "The President does not rule by decree or even make legislation" has one little crack in it - the executive decree. Remember "stoke of the pen, law of the land. Cool!)?? I certainly remember it.

Also, I'm very opposed to direct election and the mob rule it contemplates.

As for political discussion having devolved into little more than emotionalism, you couldn't be more precise. And that couldn't be more sad. It seems our national political discourse is being conducted by the extreme wings of both parties: the near Marxists like Gephardt, Daschle, Bonior, Clinton, Kennedy, and Harkin on the one hand, and the far right like Armey and the army of others (actually, I listen more to the leftists than I do to the right wing. "know your enemy" as Sun Tzu advised). I frankly am tiring of the entire endless debate.

Anyway, thanks very much for a very well done essay.

Francois

P.S. JULIE - It's worse than that. Clinton was elected by 43% OF THOSE VOTING. And that was a very low number, seeing as something like only 53.5% of elegible voters actually cast ballots. Thus Clinton was elected by 43% of 54.5%, or about 23%. And if Ross Perot hadn't drained 19 million votes from Bush, we would never have been saddled with that amoral, unethical, crooked bastard Clinton.

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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DATELINE-"Soon!AnyDayNow!JustAroundTheCorn...

by Tallyman in

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dateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".

just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.

that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.

Francois

Yup. It's hard to wait. And having been in broadcast media for ten years, I'm all too familiar with the many things that can happen to delay, pre-empt, or otherwise cause things not to appear as quickly as we'd like.

FOR THE RECORD. I spoke on Monday with the producer of the Dateline piece. I made it a point to ask if he could tell me when the program we're so interested in would air. He indicated it would air this fall. However, keep in mind that the producer does not control when any given program will air. With a piece like this where a large liability exposure exists, you can bet the NBC attorneys will vet each and every word. And nothing will show up until the attorneys release it.

In any event, this program will not air during re-runs. Forget that. If the producer says "this fall" that's as good an answer as we're going to get for now. In fact, NBC may have other good and sufficient reasons not to announce an air date until the day the program is to air.

And it is not out of the question that NBC might drop the program altogether. Stranger things have happened. I doubt that will happen, but in big time news, anything can.

Them are the news.

Frank

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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Uh Oh! Now I've gone and done it. Warning: LONG

by betweenworlds in

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here i was in happy-no one is really bothering me too much-lala land, until yesterday when i had to go and open my mouth.

a pioneer sister from our hall emailed me to inquire what was preventing me from attending the meetings, and asked what was holding me back from going.

(this is about the 5th or 6th email asking this question) welllllll, i guess i just reached a point where i couldn't pretend anymore.

Francois

Great letters.

Let 'em go right ahead with ferreting out people like you. As noted elsewhere, when they're done with the "ferreting work" they will be left mainly with the dregs of society, or of the society as the case may be, along with some ancient ones who have no place else to go. It's not going to be pretty.

Evil contains the seed of its own destruction, and the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is evil. Its destruction is assured.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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A Question thats troubling me........

by aud8 in

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"this good news will be preached for a witness to all the inhabited nations and then the end will come" nobody else is preaching any good news as far as i can see?

what do you think?

Francois

Nytelecom1, you modestly claim, "no one comes close to the preaching work as we do..."

I don't think you can prove that. And one of the reasons you can't is that it dropping off ten or twenty old WTs in a laundromat, etc. doesn't count. As an ex-dub, you see, we are onto all the tricks about reporting time, and we know it's bullshit. To think it's any different anywhere else is simply naive.

But you go right ahead and enjoy blowing sunshine up your own pants.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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White House Lunatic Imperils Us All.

by Englishman in

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not just content with attempting to scuttle the kyoto accord by claiming it was anti-american, bush has now pulled the usa out of an international agreement on tightening up controls on chemical warfare, citing almost exactly the same concerns.

can't you blokes across the atlantic impeach this lunatic?.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Francois

Englishman:

If you voted for Blair, then you don't have the insight to complain about Bush. That's what it's got to do with the price of fish.

I really don't think it's an intelligence thing. I believe it's a left/right thing. In which case your observations about Bush become, well, suspect to say the least. (Not to say that I think the man's brilliant by any means. But if I had to endure 8 years of Clinton, then you can handle four or eight of Bush. He ain't yours anyway, is he?)

I note another responder has neatly put the kibosh on the Kyoto Protocol, as it well deserves. It was nothing but an America Bashing Project in the first place. It's dead - good.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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White House Lunatic Imperils Us All.

by Englishman in

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friends

not just content with attempting to scuttle the kyoto accord by claiming it was anti-american, bush has now pulled the usa out of an international agreement on tightening up controls on chemical warfare, citing almost exactly the same concerns.

can't you blokes across the atlantic impeach this lunatic?.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Francois

I suppose you think Tony Blair, grinning idiot par excellence and closet Marxist, is a real winner?

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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regret my "former" life as a Witness

by Richie in

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disassociating yourself slowly or quickly is a matter of perspective; think about it: you lose either way, i.e.

the witnesses will treat you like you've become part of the "bodysnatchers" of the world and no matter how you rationalize it, there is no honorable way out in the eyes of the witnesses.. i was df'd about 1.5 years ago (as they said that i left the organization so it was entirely my fault, but little do they know that their organization left me, as i appealed the gb's decision), and the sudden break-off of family and friends in the truth is always devastating to say the least - it's an emotional explosion which in your wildest dreams would normally never ever happen....i can now understand what death means, at least in the beginning....yes i was dead though living - even though when i went back to the meetings afterwards, i could feel the lonely emptiness, the non-existence of myself.

yet when by accident i would be gazing straight into the eyes of one of my (former) friends, he would just stare past me as if i didn't exist at all even though i attempted to smile at him in indicating respect to him....how convenient for them to ignore a fellow friend and instead make me feel like the lowest person on earth - but then..of course they were taught to respond in this manner to anyone who is df'd.... then i though to myself...what would happen when eventually i would be re-instated: yes, then after the announcement most would want to see me at the end of the meeting all happy and oh so loving and wanting to be my best friend all over again - in a heartbeat they'll change from zombies to angelic like mortal creatures of love.... for this very reason i cannot return to the meetings in the hope of wanting to be re-instated and have this hypocrisy again heaped upon me like tentacles.

Francois

They can't "make you feel like" anything. That's a choice you make, to feel one way or another about yourself. If you feel like you're lower than whale shit, it's because you've decided to feel that way.

I know it isn't easy, but you CAN make another choice. Many have done so. You can, for instance, choose to feel that you're a spiritually mature person with insights into the nature of reality that your more ignorant friends and family who remain in the Borg can't or won't see. The truth is the truth, after all, even if you are a minority of one.

You can't be walked on unless you lie down first. Get up. Stand up straight. You are a son of God. Not a slave to the Borg. You should be proud of yourself. I think it's safe to say that we denizens of this board are proud of you.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.