Posts by Francois

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most HATED thing about the meetings ...

by alliwannadoislive in

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hey ya'll ... ain't tuesdays, thursdays and sundays even better nowadays ?.

i was wondering what it is that you hated most about the meets ?.

the one thing that used to really rile me was the pressure to control the children - the frowns and the disapproving looks when they were just behaving like normal kids .... the worst of it all for me was seeing any little person being taken outside and hearing the loud slaps even when the door was closed .... what is it that you least miss ?

Francois

Never thought about it much since there was nothing I liked about the meetings except their ending. I have to agree that the kids were spanked way too much, and brought back in sobbing. I hated that with a passion.

And what were we going to do with all that quiet anyway? listen to incompetently presented lectures on topics of doubtful legitimacy and incontestable hypocrisy?

In my hall, elder A was a good friend, but elder B was out to get him, because elder A was popular and elder B was not. Elder B was a known sot. I will never forget being asked to go to the second school room by elder B, where he wanted to probe me about the drinking habits of elder A when he was at my home. "Well, C.B.," I said, "he drinks a whole lot less than you."

C.B. was not a happy puppy with that answer. He was later removed as an elder after I got the ball rolling with a letter to Borg headquarters. It was one of the highlights of my ministry.

Francois

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HELP! - I'm Torn

by Francois in

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there's no doubt that in many religious philosophies, believers are advised not to fight with evil; not to resist.

jesus certainly advised his followers not to "resist evil.".

and that's why i'm torn.. i believe, as do most of you here, that the watchtower bible & tract society is evil; a manifest, clear, present, and palpable evil.

Francois

Max old friend, are you saying I could just roar off and write an essay that proves, say, the WTB&TS is a cult? And then submit it to the religious editor of the NYT with an expectation of having it published?

What a charming idea.

How would a person go about doing that? Would a letter to the religious editor outlining my idea first be in order? Or should I just scribble away and shot it on in?

You know, if this happens, the Borg may be put in a position where they have no choice but to debate. Now that would tickle my gizzard.

Francois

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Stumbling

by Francois in

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i heard it until i was sick of it, this constant litany about refraining from this or that behavior, or activity, or opinion because it might, it just might, stumble someone.. well, damnit, how many people were stumbled right out of the wtb&ts just because of their behaviors?.

how 'bout those of us who were stumbled out because of a low tolerance for hypocrisy?.

or because of a low tolerance for lying?.

Francois

And what was it that stumbled you out of the truth?

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Stumbling

by Francois in

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i heard it until i was sick of it, this constant litany about refraining from this or that behavior, or activity, or opinion because it might, it just might, stumble someone.. well, damnit, how many people were stumbled right out of the wtb&ts just because of their behaviors?.

how 'bout those of us who were stumbled out because of a low tolerance for hypocrisy?.

or because of a low tolerance for lying?.

Francois

Yeah, DW, I know just what you mean. I tell myself I'm using the old two by four approach with Fred. It apparently takes one to get his attention.

However!! Back to the question.

What about the millions of people stumbled out of the Borg by the activities noted above, and too many others to list?

Who is responsible for stumbling these people by gulping down a camel, while these little folk wanted only to strain out a gnat?

By their own actions the WTB&TS is CONDEMNED!!

I'd like to see them prove otherwise.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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HELP! - I'm Torn

by Francois in

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there's no doubt that in many religious philosophies, believers are advised not to fight with evil; not to resist.

jesus certainly advised his followers not to "resist evil.".

and that's why i'm torn.. i believe, as do most of you here, that the watchtower bible & tract society is evil; a manifest, clear, present, and palpable evil.

Francois

O'n'F, I'm thinking of Matthew: "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Anyway, thanks for all your posts thus far. Doesn't seem like too many of my topics generate much interest. I'll have to be more provocative in future.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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HELP! - I'm Torn

by Francois in

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there's no doubt that in many religious philosophies, believers are advised not to fight with evil; not to resist.

jesus certainly advised his followers not to "resist evil.".

and that's why i'm torn.. i believe, as do most of you here, that the watchtower bible & tract society is evil; a manifest, clear, present, and palpable evil.

Francois

Zev, perhaps reading "Gandhi The Man" by Eknath Eswaran would be helpful to you. In it, credit for lighting Gandhi's path to enlightenment was given to Kasterbai, his wife, for her long-suffering attitude and other of her characteristics not covered in the movie. By the way, watching the movie "Gandhi" with your wife might get her to thinking. It's worth a try.

Best,
Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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Stumbling

by Francois in

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i heard it until i was sick of it, this constant litany about refraining from this or that behavior, or activity, or opinion because it might, it just might, stumble someone.. well, damnit, how many people were stumbled right out of the wtb&ts just because of their behaviors?.

how 'bout those of us who were stumbled out because of a low tolerance for hypocrisy?.

or because of a low tolerance for lying?.

Francois

Fred, it's my policy not to lower myself enough to respond to you; when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. However, I'm going to make an exception in this case, since you've outdone yourself this time in the "more dense than a block of lead" department.

Neither I, nor anyone else here, claims perfection. However, when an organization arrogates to itself the position as "the only channel of communication God is using" to communicate to the entire human race, then you're damned right I expect perfection. I certainly don't expect the characteristic failings noted in the original post.

Now, did you get that? Claims to speak for God? God is perfect? Therefore God's mouthpiece must be perfect? Or did that simple statement not penetrate your thick, illiterate skull?

F.

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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Enemies of Jehovah..

by somebody in

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enemies of jehovah who are under satan's rule"and have great lives.. god rules said to tergiversator after she said she was now leading a happy positive life, since leaving the jws.

in this thread.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=9754&site=3.

Francois

Enemy of Jehovah? Where do I sign up?

I've been opposed to that five-thousand year-old fraud for years.

Francois

The God you can name is not the Eternal God. Lao Tzu

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JW question

by Vienna in

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quick question i haven't been able to get an answer:.

we all are human.

we all have the same makeup.

Francois

I see that MadApostate didn't understand the question or the issue, but that didn't keep him from pontificating anyway.

MA, if that's the best you can do, why don't you go take a nice nap or something?

FT

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Stumbling

by Francois in

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i heard it until i was sick of it, this constant litany about refraining from this or that behavior, or activity, or opinion because it might, it just might, stumble someone.. well, damnit, how many people were stumbled right out of the wtb&ts just because of their behaviors?.

how 'bout those of us who were stumbled out because of a low tolerance for hypocrisy?.

or because of a low tolerance for lying?.

Francois

I heard it until I was sick of it, this constant litany about refraining from this or that behavior, or activity, or opinion because it might, it just might, stumble someone.

Well, damnit, how many people were stumbled right out of the WTB&TS just because of their behaviors?

How 'bout those of us who were stumbled out because of a low tolerance for hypocrisy?

Or because of a low tolerance for lying?

Or because of a low tolerance for failed prophecy?

Or a low tolerance for medical policies that killed our families or our friends?

Or a low tolerance for unstable teachings that flip-flopped all over the horizon?

Or a low tolerance for hiding, for giving aid and comfort to, for even elevating to positions of authority over us, god-cursed child sex abusers?

Or an unwillingness to march along in lock-step beliefs like cookie-cutter gingerbread men in opposition to the freedom promised by the Son of God?

Who are these bastards who dare claim to speak for God and then attempt to put us all in their bondage, who would drag us back into the dim and distant spiritual past and abandon us there to do nothing but sell their god-damn double-dipping cheap publications and call it ministry to God?

WHO THE HELL AT BORG HEADQUARTERS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR STUMBLING THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS - MILLIONS - OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS? And these same sons of bitches knowingly intone darkly about how wearing a beard, for instance, might "stumble" someone???!!!!

I say the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the Sistine Chapel of Supercharged Stumbling and I say fuck 'em.

I have some choice words for those bastards, but I dare not utter them. Might stumble someone.

Franc