Posts by ush419

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cong book study week starting

by ush419 in

naturally the book brings out that it was christendom that roused the authorities up against the society and had them wrongly incarcerated (after a wrongful trial of course) on false charges of sedition.

can anyone give me some info to use that can be documented of course so that i can refute this nonsense at the book study.

i have seen stuff in the past when lurking but have had to replace a lot of stuff on the computer because of problems on it.

ush419

Naturally the book brings out that it was christendom that roused the authorities up against the Society and had them wrongly incarcerated (after a wrongful trial of course) on false charges of sedition. Can anyone give me some info to use that can be documented of course so that I can refute this nonsense at the book study. I have seen stuff in the past when lurking but have had to replace a lot of stuff on the computer because of problems on it. If anyone help I would sure appreciate it, there is nothing more I like than to refute a lot of their nonsense and point out that a lot of what they are saying is nothing more than speculation. I have read/heard of it somewhere where those accused of sedition once in prison were not let loose while awaiting on appeals just as those in the society in prisoned were not given bail when awaiting on their appeal.

Any information on the amount of people and groups who were tried (i.e. quakers amish etc.) and imprisoned due to the sedition act.

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Questions From Readers: Hunting/Fishing

by inkling in

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i guess this means you can maim and kill animals all you want, just so long as you don't enjoy it too much.. sorta like being a isrealite warrior who makes a living killing people but yet is commanded to "hate violence".

[inkling].

ush419

Inkling, what kind of comment is this?

I guess this means you can maim and kill animals all you want, just so long as you don't enjoy it too much.

Sorta like being a Isrealite warrior who makes a living killing people but yet is commanded to "Hate Violence"

Hunters don't go out maiming and just killing animals, most hunt animals for food, they eat what they shoot, catch. etc. possibly some who don't understand this make in appropriate comments about those who participate in hunting. Most want to sit back on their ass and let others do their killing for them. Which reminds me of dubs, who want all the benefits of a relatively free society with none of the harder things to participate in i.e. military service, police, etc.,

If you didn't mean it that way then I apoligize but it sure strikes me as a rather odd comment if you didn't.

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2008 Distric Conventions..... What is the theme ?!!

by Eliabe in

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someone knows?

ush419

whatever the theme is and who really cares anyway it will really mean; "do more, do more, do more' give us your money, give us your money make the watchtower rich, do more, give, give, give."

There is nothing new under the sun at any of those conventions, it is always do more, give us your money, turn in your fing time, pray, give us you dough, time, energy and lives.

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How did you measure how close the end was ?

by JH in

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i recall buying a new car and thinking, "this car will still be around when the end comes" .

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then i recall when they were building the molson center in montreal where the montreal canadiens hockey team would be playing, and i was thinking to myself, "they will never play there.....cause the end will come first".. .

ush419

The end, that has always been a big draw for the dubs, keep the R&F in line and in fear. I got and get so tired of hearing it is just around the corner. It is soooooo close now, we are so deep into the end. The end of what i think a donkey, horse, cow, because they must have their head of the ass of something thinking that the end (rear in my book) is so close. They don'even think about what it is they are saying, and people just sit there and swallow it up.

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Has a GB member ever died from refusing blood?

by LtCmd.Lore in

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has a governing body member ever died from refusing blood products?.

and do you think he would if the problem arose?

or do you think there would be some quick 'new light' on the subject?.

ush419

Newlight, that comment has always made me laugh/cringe roll the eyes backwards. What a bunch of hooey. Also with the smoking ban I believe that happened around 1973(?) that was probably some excuse the pun "bright idea" of one of the higher ups there, They didn't want some one entering the "new system" while smoking, the dubs were all going to be headed to perfection you know circa 1975. You are probably right on, about the factions of blood as one of those ole dudes needed some it suddenly dawned on them "new light". Talk about taking the scriptures out of context. If they need it then its new light, if the rank and file needed it OH Well! tough.

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Donations to Go Down?

by metatron in

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it's utterly amazing that the society has bamboozled publishers into thinking that all of its cutbacks.

are somehow not related to a lack of donations.. perhaps this will be tested in the next few years as gasoline, food, and other essentials go way.

up in price while wages stay stagnant.

ush419

they are worse than other religions they say their work is free, but they are continually asking for donations in one form or another. Fee my aching a**. Whenever my wife here's these kind of talksk, she is ever ready to donate more., I have told her no! If you want to donate to them then get a job and donate your money to them. But you aren't going to donate the momey I make to them.

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Crap... Elders coming over tonight for a pep talk

by still_in74 in

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well its finally here........ the day i get the pep talk.. considering i havent been out in service for 6 months and i never comment because i cant parrot the wt, and i havent been to the book study in 2 months cause the revelation book makes me nausious........ (that why no more revelation weekly reviews --- sorry oompa!

yet when i talk with bro's and sis's i seem to be the one in the know, i am the one that knows what is going on in the org and am up on the "new light".

i am "so smart".

ush419

At the best of times the elders are sheer a**holes., They will ask death dealing questions i.e. do you believe that God (jehover) is using the fairthrul and discreet slave. When I was asked this question at a visit from 3 of those a** wipe types, I replied yes, it seems Jehovah uses whomever he wants don't you agree? In fact didn't he used the Catholic church to collate the vairous books out there and make the bible didn't he????

Why do you think Jehover uses the Chaldeans and others during the history of the Jews, It didn't mean they they were the ones he used because they were his special people did it? At that point all three of them had the deer in the headlights looks. And finally one replied that is interesting and then they completely changed the subject. You have to be prepared for them, think of something like in matthew chpt 24: what wis is that jesus was telling his aposteles to not be mislead about. In fact get out your bible and read verse Matther 24: 4-9; tell them you are confused about what events Jesus is telling you not to be misled about and see how their eyes glaze over. Then go to Eph. 11:4 and read a few verses and say if we were not to be evangelizers as only some were wouldn't it be productive to be involved in other things?

Of course you will get the stock Jdub answers so be prepared and then change the subject and ask about the upcoming sad or 2day ad. they will gladly answer the ????'s about the SAD and 2DSAD.

At least that was my experience.

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Legal or Religious decisions

by wha happened? in

i know a soon to be former elder who is a really good guy.

we can discuss anything and he never looks down his nose at me.

nor does he take any of my very candid discussions any further than between us.

ush419

Typical of the society and the gutless elders.

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Greg Stafford rejects Watchower and start a new religion

by TJ Curioso in

christian witnesses of jah .

come now the christian witnesses of jah.

that is why it must be our purpose to not serve jah or jesus by pleasing men.

ush419

I say more power to him, the more people he can pull away from the society the better. Now one gets a beTter idea of just why the Question Box in the Sept 07 KH. They the Society doesn't want anyone to have any understanding of the Bible outside their sphere of infuence and craziness. Their my way or the highway is not reminisent of the way Jesus did things. So the more groups like this that decide to break away the better. IMO of course.

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The distance between dogma and money

by blueviceroy in

i think i see the wtbts attempting to disintangle itself from the religion that funded it's origin.. not that i actually know anything but it seems apparent to me that the society would like nothing more that to be able to cut away the "church" and pursue it's business dealings unencumbered by a monetary drain and liability like the religion that has become an albatross around thier neck.. perhaps i'm mistaken and the society will use it's money to support it's members and quit taking so much witout giving back to the people who give .

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ush419

Thier leaving the money from the rank and file just ain't going to happen,