Posts by freeme

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Will This Latest Scandal Finally Prompt You To Leave?

by sweet pea in

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in view of the latest uk child abuse scandal, have any of you lurkers/faders/still ins finally decided to make a clean break and leave openly, for good?

freeme

its so easy:

there are NO scandals, everything critical are lies by apostates or at the maximum just imperfection of some few individuals. in the end its gods organization no matter what.

its carefully constructed. EVERYTHING can be strengthen your faith in the religion. even scandals.

- no scandals: YES, its gods religion
- scandals: satan is out to spread lies and destroy us. He.Will.Not.Succeed.

- the number of JWs are increasing: gods blessing
- the number is decreasing: were close to the end, its a small door, we must stay JWs now

- doctrines stay the same: what a blessing! this is the truth because we had it right decades before!
- doctrines change: what a blessing! god gives us new light! thats the truth!

etc.

there is NO way to get someone out of the cult by ANYTHING. some would stay followers when the GB would ask them to kill.

the first step must be done by the believer himself... noone can do it for him. if he does he MAY look at scandals different and starts thinking.

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Holiday to Tasmania and my incredible book find

by jwfacts in

i have just spent the last few days in tasmania, where i was born and raised until the age of 20. my grandmother is a jw in her 80's but let me stay at her house because "no one is going to tell her she can not speak to her own family".

i visited relatives and friends, and found that almost everyone that i grew up with are no longer jws.

it was quite eye-opening; some have become christians, some have new age beliefs, some are athiests.

freeme

i just smelled big money when being nice to old witnesses...

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For those of you who have loved ones on the inside....

by Hermano in

my wife is still on the inside.

sometimes i dont care about that or about the wtbts's nonsense.

and then some days, i wake up and i have all this anger inside.

freeme

I tried to talk to them about it and their reasoning just keeps going in circles not proving anything and then when you show them their circular reasoning they just start yelling. I gave up. Yes I do want to shake some sense into them. I mean, how could they produce such an intelligent child and be so stupid themselves???

this sounds like it came from my mind. creepy.

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evidence of angelic direction

by tank in

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i just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .

quote.

jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.

freeme

these "prayed-and-witnesses-knocked-in-the-next-minute"-experiences are emphasized.

even in my local congregation ive heard of such stories. i dont know how the odds are that such things happen by chance.

i dont know whats up with that. its sometimes creepy to hear such stories. but i dont know whether they are true, overstated or lied in some cases.

how do other religions perform on that?

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Bad Dream

by PoppyR in

4am in the uk, and i was jolted awake by a dream about my mother dying, she is not in good health.

i felt overwhelmingly sad that if this happens, she will die in sadness over me.

and also very upset because she is my mum and i want her to love me and be interested in my life and that just isn't the case any longer.. i realise i am 'luckier' than some on here because at least she speaks to me.

freeme

(((((PoppyR)))))

Oh, poppy, i can feel you so much. im not out yet, but sometimes i go crazy fearing exactly the situation you experience. i think my mum will speak to me still, but i cant see her in pain about me either. it destroys me. my lifelong friends, my everything including my wife is in it.

its incredible difficult but i know i cant live in this lie forever either.

stay strong!

dont forget: there are thousands who feel the same as you in the very second. youre not alone.

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Oscar Wilde Quote

by freeme in

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most people are other people.

their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.. oscar wilde.

as i read this i felt like this is a perfect description not only of "most people" but jw's in special:.

freeme

Great people have the odd angle. Great people bring something extra to a discussion. Great people stop us in our tracks and make us blink and say, "Wow! I never thought of it that way."
That is what your quotation from Oscar Wilde does for us. It stops us and changes us and reshapes our world view.

So true. i was reading a quotations page with like 90 oscar wilde quotations. he was genius in my opinion. i love his views.

another i really liked:

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
Oscar Wilde

you can use it on jws again. thats what we do here. jws get a mask and actually can tell what they really think. in their normal life (im included) this isnt possible.

i think it would be a shocking experience to know the inner feelings and opinions even of jws who are afraid of forums. i believe theres a lot acting going on.

edit:

for everyone who may wanna know which quotation site i was reading:

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Oscar_Wilde/1

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Oscar Wilde Quote

by freeme in

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friends

most people are other people.

their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.. oscar wilde.

as i read this i felt like this is a perfect description not only of "most people" but jw's in special:.

freeme

Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.
Oscar Wilde

As i read this i felt like this is a perfect description not only of "most people" but JW's in special:
Everything they (and me) do is based on opinions of someone else. Their life is a mimicry of a life described in some magazines. Their passion is a quotation of passions of other people who say they have the truth. No own thinking, no own search and study. For the price of unity even on the costs of truth.

i dont fit in that scheme very well. even as a JW i always felt questioning and fresh thinking is a good thing. i never understood ppl who really DONT CARE what they're told by others. Example: so many ppl think homeopathy is a nice way to cure without hard medicine because someone says so without any proof. They buy it and use it without any idea HOW it works. Some ppl even think its just "herbal medicine". I dont want to judge anyone who uses it. Its their own decision. But i just dont get it why cant explain why they use it. When i use something i normally know why i use it. I can tell someone why i personally think it works and why i like it. Many ppl just dont care.

But i have to confess that i made a lot of years in my life a exception to that for a bunch of guys in NYC. Weired. I dont understand myself.

freeme

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I came to a disturbing realization today

by Stealth453 in

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this morning, someone mistakenly text my cell phone asking that i send them some money.

the text was addressed to "paul".

my wife read the text, and jokingly asked me if i was "pretending to be paul".. i answered her, "paul?

freeme

i know how you feel stealth.

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They lied-BIG TIME, do they have a conscious?

by Junction-Guy in

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folks i know what it was like to be raised in this religion, but i never knew what it was like to be a convert.

lately i have come in contact with some jw's, they know nothing about my background.

i have asked them so very tricky questions, and they have flat out bare faced lied.

freeme

i would love to hear it too :/ but i understand junction.

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new september 2007 Kingdom Ministry Qbox

by patientbrother in

brothers i absolutely had to join this web site once i saw the new km for this coming month, has any one else had a chance to view this?

i'm absolutely flabbergasted for the first time in my life, what about the the apostle paul and the bereans?

didn't he encourage them to go and find out for them selves the truth?

freeme

about the revelation book. yes it drives me nuts too. and with the sidepaper with the changes its even more annoying. and how wrong it is to read the book without the changes now. lol.

the rev book does not contain real knowledge. its all the time only:

1. read small part of scripture
2. twist the scripture until it applys to the WTS and tell'em
3. give no proof WHY it means what it means, give no references, give no further insight
4. next topic

and NOONE notices it! its incredible always. sitting numb in their seats, reading the paragraph, question, answer almost ín the same words as it is in the paragraph. sometime ago we had a occasional question because a sister found a little contradiction (something with the annointed and some dates). it wasnt answered by the elder - he didnt know. i answered it according to the JW belief in the end (twisted crap, no biblical proof). the elder was happy, next one. there was no proof that that what i answered made any sense at all, but noone questioned it. but this occasion was still the biggest question ive seen in many months. that sister is still able to think a bit.