just wanted to say this since i have no where else at the moment to vent at the moment and for lurkers...also, it might be timely since coc has been under discussion in a few threads lately.
i am doing research and taking it slowly right now.
i know lot's have been helped by coc, even me, as it put a lot of things into perspective.
Hi Axelspeed,
I was helped too by COC. I think your advice is good!
BTW, did you post as "Axel" on H2O?
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
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here is a response i sent to a recently df'd jw over the un issue.
this person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the borganization as god's.
i have been corresponding somewhat with them, and i just had to reply to the last email i got.. i think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of jwdom.. http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm.
Dana and Fark,
Thank you!!! I appreciate your comments.
sunscapes,
You asked:
Can you answer this question? It's a good one. I've always bought the Universal Big Picture argument myself. The father/wayward child illustration was a good one. What OTHER possible explanations are there? Anyone?Your question is also a good one. Humans have been asking the Big Picture questions since the beginning (whenever that was).
Unfortunately, in my opinion, these questions are unanswerable. We simply do not know where God is, and why He doesn't seem to care about humanity.
Personally, I cannot reconcile the concept of a loving Creator with the suffering of humanity. That is why I am Agnostic--I just don't know. I want to know, but the data is not yet available.
So I wish I could answer your question about my questions. The reason that I wrote the letter the way I did was out of respect for this person's beliefs. I did not want to unnecessarily offend them by telling them that I no longer believe in Jehovah as the Almighty. They must come to that or another conclusion on their own.
Good luck with your own journey!
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
here is a response i sent to a recently df'd jw over the un issue.
this person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the borganization as god's.
i have been corresponding somewhat with them, and i just had to reply to the last email i got.. i think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of jwdom.. http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm.
Dung,
I have no earthly idea what you are talking about. The points I made are points that troubled me in the past. I simply thought that perhaps others with similar questions might benefit. You must remember too that this letter addressed things that this person brought up, so those points were relevant to them.
I'm sorry I can't add you to my Shit List, because I don't really have one.
I respect your right to agree or disagree with me or my writings.
BTW, where are your writings? I would be interested to read them. I am always looking for other perspectives that might refine and improve my own.
All my best to you!
Doug
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
here is a response i sent to a recently df'd jw over the un issue.
this person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the borganization as god's.
i have been corresponding somewhat with them, and i just had to reply to the last email i got.. i think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of jwdom.. http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm.
Here is a response I sent to a recently DF'd JW over the UN issue. This person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the BOrganization as God's. I have been corresponding somewhat with them, and I just had to reply to the last email I got.
I think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of JWdom.
http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
thanks for calling this to my attention.
my reason for not wanting book material to be run on certain web sites is purely because of finding their approach out of harmony with my own principles and standards, so many are engaged in watch tower trashing and extremely negative.
some sites present material that promotes agnosticism and distrust of the scriptures, even atheism (one such site being in scandanavia).
IW,
You never lost a child to a false blood teaching.Is this true of you?
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
about three weeks ago i told a friend about the un thing, no-one else, i had known for months but didn't tell her till she brought up a similar subject.
i gave her a printout from a guardian article, i have only had a short terse text message since.
i know she has a lot more to lose than i did, and i stopped going to meetings last year.
You go Eddie!!! Tell 'em like it is!
I really, really, really, dislike the WTS and all they stand for.
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
i am signing off for now from this site.
i have immensely enjoyed hanging with all of you.
i am sure i will be back at some point.. mike pence aka princeofdemons.
Hey Mike,
Take care and best wishes!
Doug
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
tallyman has seen fit to make an unprovoked attack on me and my book, "the game rules for life.
what do i say in response?
"hey look honey, another attack on me from someone who doesn't have a clue about me...yawn.".
Hi Kent,
Thanks for your post. I appreciate your comments, and I too am sorry if I misinterpreted them.
I also understand what you are saying about claims, and when it came to writing the back cover for my book, I had to balance claims with marketing. I did not say anything that wasn’t true on the book’s back cover. The fact is that if people would apply sound suggestions in their lives, they would have better lives. The difficulty for most people is actually applying sound counsel routinely in life. I too must fight to stay upbeat and remember the good things in life. In fact, I myself read my own book from time to time just to stay centered and balanced in my thinking.
But it is people, individuals—who make changes. Personal growth books simply provide a fertile environment for a person’s motivation to grow.
I do not claim to have received some kind of special gift from God in the self-growth department. What I wrote in my book was a combination of my own life-lessons, and many things I’ve read and applied in my life that worked. I present these life-lessons from my own perspective, and I have found that this is important. I have read the same things many times, but sometimes, the way it is the unique way the author presents the information that just strikes a chord of understanding within me. I hope that I may do the same for someone else by my unique presentation of lessons-learned.
Tallyman criticized the title of my book, “The Game Rules for Life.” But there is a reason why I chose that title. I wrote the book as I was coming out of the Borg and divorcing my alcoholic ex-wife. As an elder doing all I could do to help others, and after tearfully begging Jehovah for help, I just couldn’t understand why He was so silent and wouldn’t help me with my family. I kept asking Him, “What are the rules? If you will just tell me the game rules, then I can know what to do.” I thought I knew what the rules of the game were from being a Witness. But it wasn’t working.
So I got rid of the “rules” I had learned from the GB, and looked to the ones I had learned in life. Hence, the title of my book. It has been my intention for about a year to rename my book when I revise it in the future, because I have grown past the need for “rules.”
In my view you have to expect reactions like than when promoting the claims you do.With all due respect, I am still trying to figure out all these “claims” I’ve made. If you read the back of my book again, I have simply asked if people are hurting, and then add:
“The Game Rules for Life addresses these and many other critical areas of life. It takes a candid and fresh approach to many of life's most perplexing problems and stimulates you to discover sensible solutions. It shows you how to discover and implement your life-dream by creating a Plan for Living. In short, it shows you how to manage and minimize, if not eliminate life's problems and deliver greatness everyday.”
I didn’t said that “I” was going to solve their problems, because “I” can’t. Only they can. However, perhaps I can provoke them to thought about their life. This is my whole purpose.
I also understand that when you put yourself “out there” with a book, you are subject to criticism. As I have previously said, some people will love you and some will people hate you. I am willing to risk being criticized, and have been before. But these people really do not know me, who I am, or what I’m all about. So I chalk it up to lack of understanding and anger on their part. It’s their stuff, not my stuff. But at the same time, I feel for them.
You are correct about all the attacks here on the board. I know that I have done some attacking, but usually when some other person attacked another. I have refrained from attacks in recent months, and just don’t feel the need anymore. I have never been so vilely criticized by anyone in the way the Tallyman did.
It simply happened because Tracy has a link to my website in her profile. There is nothing wrong with this, nor is it prohibited by policy (to my knowledge). Many ex-JW's have visited my sites, and have written to me expressing their appreciation.
To my best recall, I don’t believe that I have ever had an argument with Tallyman, and certainly not on the thread he was on. So for him to single me out was unprovoked BY ME. To think that I provoked him simply because I wrote a book, is not reasonable. He was simply lashing out at Tracy. But Tracy is not me, and I am not Tracy. We are separate individuals. Therefore, it was wrong of Tallyman to attack me because he had a disagreement with Tracy.
I understand why there is so much anger here. We have all been hurt so deeply. And sometimes, that anger vents in the wrong place.
I am also sorry that you are having difficulty staying afloat. Believe me, I know all too well what that is like. I sincerely hope things improve for you.
Any rate, thanks for your comments, and I again apologize if I misread them. I wish you all my best.
Doug
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
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I'm 43; Dr. Feel Good is 1 day old. (Hi Tallyman!)
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
tallyman has seen fit to make an unprovoked attack on me and my book, "the game rules for life.
what do i say in response?
"hey look honey, another attack on me from someone who doesn't have a clue about me...yawn.".
Hey Tallyman,
Are you sure you are not my ex-wife in disguise? lol! There are a lot of similarities!
Well, I have to go help someone “feel good” now... oops... I mean... I have to go steal someone’s money now.
Hope you have a good life.
P.S. I kind of like your term, “Dr. Feelgood!” Its got a good ring to it. Maybe I’ll change my name!
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
