been in the troof for 30yrs, pionered for 15yrs, became servant and did mts and had loadsa friends.
faded and now no witness will talk to me.
i was a crap friend so deserve itmy friends were not real friendsthe religion is to blamenon of the abovecheers.
I am going with 2 & 3 .
The very sad thing is when the high mind control wts turns families in on themselves. I had a long conversation with former JW last night whose mum is being put in the m most invidious of positions with regards to her and his family.
Going on from that why not to go to the ex jw meetup in three weeks in London ? Meet some new people
David
a child's right to life must be protected.
by george pitcher.
last updated: 12:01am gmt 11/11/2008.
Some issues are being conflated here , and this is a deperately sad case
First we must remember the age ot the person involved, she is13. This is a difficult age in terms of jurisprudence, as a 13 y old person is deemed to have quite a reaonable understanding of their own actions and the consequences thereof. Their opiinion; as was shown by the decision of the court in this instance really does matter, and from what little i know seems to have been pivotal in this case.
Secondly we must consider the duties placed in law on the health and other authorities having concern with the welfare of this very sick person.The relevant bodies have a statutory duty placed upon them to consider the welfare of the child and act accordingly. My understaning here is that the relevant authorities considered that, it may well be in the best interests of Hannah to proceed with medical treatment, after taking legal and medical advice. This was taken before the Courts to be tested and examined. This is where the sensitiivity of the legal system shone through.
Next consider the poor parents, they are having an extremely difficult time dealing with their very sick daughter, who, having heard her on the radio sounds immemsely brave. The courts are there to protect the rights of all parties and did so here
I have seen this happen when my own brother, who was 36 and on a life support machine. No parent wants to see their child die, but at the same time when that child is suffering from a terminal condition they are put in the most awful of dilemnas. My parents never really got over it. That is why the authoroties are there to help and guide, plus also to protect future victims too..
To then conflate this issue with assited suicide in this instance is otiose in my opinion, and unkind too.
Sometimes in life there is no easy answer, as is the case here.
Regards David
please prove to me i'm not posting in the graveyard shift....... besty and i were talking about password protected and family's exit this last few weeks.
we are full of admiration for the way that they have left with dignity and obviously made many think.
they have not faded, they had a good repuation until the very last moment - mark was an elder - but they stopped and made the decision to be up front and face the elders in a meeting.
You are slightly missing the point of the internet here.
As can be seen from the above,we are all individuals, with differing circumstances, we therefore will leave at differing rates.
The imternet enables us to exchange ideas and thoughts. In the course of this some of us do get to meet each other for further encouragement, as when you and Paul so kindly arranged the Covent Garden Apostfest last year..
Therefore as we change . from my observation , and personal sojourn, realise the truth about the wts, and then help others to leave, and show the others the same.
The tipping point thus comes when we come to this realisation, and move on and help others to do the same.
I know personally of one very well known, and former poster here who spent a long time waiting for his wife to join him in his life post wts; and happily he got his wish.
So our differing rates of exit can be seen as advantageous to ourselves, and the diaspora that is the ex jw community.
Regards David
what did you do with your new wbt$ tract:"would you like to know the truth?"?
?.....i tossed mine in the garbage can!
!....now the garbage can has a stomach ache!..lol!
I need some spritual food, so i am going to feast on it. Btw i am on a diet.
I might use as a bookmark, it will remind me of how far i have come in my reading
David
i was thinking we could talk about what works for couples who have good jw/non-jw relationships.
maybe we could get ideas from eachother to help improve ourselves and our relationships!.
i'll start.
Dear Cognac,
I, like many here, are in a similar position, we both tried for a long time, but sadly we are now divorcing.
Being married to a J W can be hard work as the wts does expect an awful lot of commitment from its followers.
I left about 10 years ago, and when i left alot of things we had in common went too, If you have things in common you may be able to make it work.
The trick is to find out what you enjoy and have, and do them together if possible.
The wts does seem to be very intolerant of former followers. as you seem to be aware, and therein can be cause of some of the problems.
If you still love each other, things will have a much greater chance of working out.
Wishing you well
Regards David
the following three paragraphs are part of a startling new essay written by a well-respected poster on jwd.
he spent much time and money to gather proof of duplicity on the part of watch tower leaders.
marvin shilmer (not his real name) has given permission for me to put his entire essay on my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.
This is very interesting and demonstrates very clearly the blatent hypocrisy of those at the top of the WTS
Thanks for all your hard work
Regards David
nothing makes one happier to be out of religious crap that a conversation with a true believer.. it all started innocently enough.
we talked about music.
he said i probably knew nothing about music and that he was a former disk jockey.
That reasoning or lack of it amazes me, i think the best word to descibe it is hubris
Regards David
everyone has something to teach us.
station in life, wealth, position, power, or lack of all of that, everyone has something to teach us.
even the watchtower society, and the homeless and the druggies.
An interesting story, that i found interesting. What stikes me is that for this to happen two things were needed, the honesty of your friend, and the intellectual honesty on your part to recognise this.
Regards David
everyone has something to teach us.
station in life, wealth, position, power, or lack of all of that, everyone has something to teach us.
even the watchtower society, and the homeless and the druggies.
An interesting story, that i found interesting. What stikes me is that for this to happen two things were needed, the honesty of your friend, and the intellectual honesty on your part to recognise this.
Regards David
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based on a true story, "worlds apart" takes an unblinking look at a teenage girls struggles, when falling in love makes her challenge the rigid principles governing the lives of jehovahs witnesses.by eva novrup redvall.
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Great post and as you and many know i might yet be in a similar position.
I look forward to seeing the film
Regards david
